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Subject: Re: Checking our progress, Incubator Graduation Requirements
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On May 13, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:

> Ok, will do.  You're always welcome to jump in when you find the  
> time :)
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com 
> > wrote:
>> Yes.  Mentors are not normally committers.

Right. It depends on the project, but mentoring doesn't require  
committing code.
>>
>> I originally thought I was going to be able to work on this project  
>> but I
>> now realize that I have no time.  :(
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On May 13, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed on that page that you and Craig are listed as mentors and
>>> not committers - does that mean I should remove you two from the
>>> committers list in the STATUS file?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm always confused.  I wonder if this is our status file:
>>>>
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/shiro.html
>>>>
>>>> Craig?

Yes, that's the status file. It would be good to update the file to  
reflect the name change on the email aliases.

And if you can browse the email history and fill in the dates for the  
to-do items that will help the incubator PMC evaluate the graduation  
readiness of the project.

Craig

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2010, at 12:19 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just committed an update to the file that lists committers and  
>>>>> their
>>>>> ASF unix id/email.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org 
>>>>> >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah - didn't know it needed to be filled in with anything.  I  
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> it was like a section directing the project committers to do  
>>>>>> fill out
>>>>>> the rest of the sections ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are names sufficient?  Or do we need to list an email address  
>>>>>> or unix
>>>>>> username too?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Alan D. Cabrera
>>>>>> <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Project committers:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems empty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 13, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can update it - my understanding is that all of the items  
>>>>>>>> have been
>>>>>>>> finished and warrant an 'X' next to them except for the  
>>>>>>>> following 3:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Does the documentation site has enough information on the
>>>>>>>> architecure, design decisions and modules?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will update the documentation to cover some more things  
>>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exit Milestone:
>>>>>>>> organisational acceptance:
>>>>>>>>  -- Has the board accepted moving to a existing/new PMC?
>>>>>>>> Incubator sign-off:
>>>>>>>>  -- Has the Incubator decided that the project has  
>>>>>>>> accomplished all
>>>>>>>>  of the above tasks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Naturally I can't answer these two.  But could the mentors  
>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>> at the file (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/shiro/STATUS 
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>> and concur that they agree that all others are completed?  I  
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> commit the file after there is consensus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera
>>>>>>>> <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They're pretty religious about that STATUS file in our  
>>>>>>>>> root.  Can
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>> take the time to update this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On May 13, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Awesome - thanks Alan.  I think after we get our 1.0  
>>>>>>>>>> release out,
>>>>>>>>>> we'll be in good shape to try to graduate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Alan D. Cabrera
>>>>>>>>>> <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The message below was completely stolen from Matt Hogstrom  
>>>>>>>>>>> but is
>>>>>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>>>>>> for us we well.  Note that I removed a bit, "Releases are
>>>>>>>>>>> happening".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recently saw a note on podling graduation requirements  
>>>>>>>>>>> and it
>>>>>>>>>>> occurred
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> me that there has never been a lot of discussion about  
>>>>>>>>>>> what that
>>>>>>>>>>> means.
>>>>>>>>>>>  I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> including a link to the graduation requirements page so  
>>>>>>>>>>> folks will
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> sense of what the Incubator PMC is looking for in terms of
>>>>>>>>>>> graduating a
>>>>>>>>>>> podling.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Overall the community has been doing well.  The user  
>>>>>>>>>>> community is
>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> code and asking questions / filing JIRAs, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take a look at this link to get a sense of some of the  
>>>>>>>>>>> other areas
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> people will look at to determine if a podling is ready to
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

Craig L Russell
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