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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] accept donation of a business process engine into the ServiceMix project
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:18:56 GMT
Cc'ing the incubator list since Dims is no longer on the Geronimo and 
ServiceMix lists.


Regards,
Alan

On 2/3/2006 2:05 PM, Aaron Mulder wrote:

>Holy crap!  What a mess this thread is!  I'm not used to being like
>the cool voice of reason.  :)
>
>For my 2 cents, a JBI container without BPEL is a hard sell, so I'd go
>a long way to see one available for ServiceMix.
>
>Based on our Geronimo experience, I suspect it would be easier to
>build the two together and then spin off a working BPEL engine down
>the road, rather than call them nominally independent projects but in
>truth have them so tightly linked during development that you can't
>realistically use one without the other and there's a lot of fuss
>about having the latest SNAPSHOT of this not work against HEAD of that
>and so on.
>
>So here's my +1 to include the BPEL donation in ServiceMix, but I
>won't argue too strenuously if people want to bring it into Geronimo
>instead (assuming we get the latest Geronimo/ServiceMix integration
>code from Guillaume!  :)  On the other hand, I think it might be a bit
>awkward as a standalone project from day 1.
>
>Thanks,
>    Aaron
>
>On 2/3/06, Dan Diephouse <dan@envoisolutions.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>After some thought about this, I will give it a +1.
>>
>>We're seeing a lot of overlap lately between the WS-* folks and the J2EE
>>folks. Like lots of projects lately, I don't think this code donation
>>fits strictly into one category. And to say that it strictly belongs one
>>place or another is a mistake.
>>
>>I think the Sybase and ServiceMix people have made it clear that they
>>are dedicated to working on this. I know the ws-* people are stretched
>>with the many many specs to implement, so from a practical standpoint I
>>think the ServiceMix location works. Lets closely monitor the community
>>and see where it goes. At a future date we can readdress the location.
>>
>>Regarding other developers and overlapping projects, I would just like
>>to make it clear that we still definitely welcome other people and their
>>involvement. Accepting this donation into ServiceMix does not preclude
>>any involvement with others. If we need to package things different or
>>provide different interfaces or whatever, its all up for discussion and
>>patches
>>
>>- Dan
>>
>>
>>James Strachan wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>We have received the generous donation of a complete and working BPE
>>>engine to the ServiceMix project...
>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/geronimo-servicemix-dev/200602.mbox/%3cf94cbdb00602011120t68cfb561necc044dbc488645a@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>>
>>>
>>>the contributor has offered to donate to Apache & complete the
>>>necessary software grants & IP clearance and to work with us on
>>>integrating it into ServiceMix.
>>>
>>>For those of you maybe not aware; ServiceMIx is an ESB project defined
>>>around JBI (JSR 208) the JCP standard API to integration components
>>>along with being the standard container model for a BPE. ServiceMix
>>>already has the JBI container and has a suite of JBI integration
>>>components already for smart routing, transformation, rules,
>>>scripting, auditing etc...
>>>http://incubator.apache.org/servicemix/Components
>>>
>>>So it makes complete sense to add a BPE to that component suite. Note
>>>that since ServiceMix already has integration components to Apache
>>>Axis and Apache Tuscany, the integration of the BPE with ServiceMix
>>>should benefit those projects too (with Apache Synapse possibly too
>>>via the Axis integration - though we need to work on that one a bit).
>>>
>>>Also having a BPE fully integrated into Geronimo via the JBI container
>>>would mean that we could start to orchestrate pretty much everything
>>>in the Geronimo stack! I'm certainly very excited by this move...
>>>
>>>
>>>[ ] +1 accept the donation into the ServiceMix incubator project
>>>[ ] 0  don't mind either way
>>>[ ] -1 I object because: .......
>>>
>>>
>>>Here's my +1
>>>
>>>James
>>>-------
>>>http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>--
>>Dan Diephouse
>>Envoi Solutions LLC
>>http://envoisolutions.com
>>http://netzooid.com/blog
>>
>>
>>    
>>



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