From dev-return-3759-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@royale.apache.org Thu Mar 29 11:46:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id D3682180645 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:46:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 38066 invoked by uid 500); 29 Mar 2018 09:46:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@royale.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@royale.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@royale.apache.org Received: (qmail 37260 invoked by uid 99); 29 Mar 2018 09:46:25 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:46:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 78F16C01BF for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:46:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.73 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.73 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=2, KAM_INFOUSMEBIZ=0.75, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9F2IWJZWXmXO for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f171.google.com (mail-ot0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 3E95A5F173 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 23-v6so5829375otj.0 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 02:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=GhMtNC6olK8mkgnkH73dV54Y5oJfra/J93iNbMXbxDc=; b=AiinbDUOeSuqrX0t0XG+w0GtnZ3Up9MrejLuMw5icnD5SSyofOIv4pWSRJ8mYLJpnd tC9Mhgn9L1PH291LxUvK4i0LrLwYVUboEa/X29tVtZGiQigaq8v9eGuAfGr1kBoAqef5 VYTxKbVyvg2h+8yZmFuqYPgRXj1uzqAttlg59+A2vRZJnqXV3kUkKRm3zxq+tTgafXgO K+Vk7PJ7BaawAL1c27d40cpYf9QgRbtka7rdd7vzA10xrMmmkYlVDSHGoV7MQhb74MqX BXEHbKPiUH1dAdDctziJN6FZaI3W3t/9Dc6F7SJa5akrkufXx5T/ogFgiL6ZyOPuI/+S 9wYw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GhMtNC6olK8mkgnkH73dV54Y5oJfra/J93iNbMXbxDc=; b=X8Wm88TvPwZibos2v0qShkc8f9JFc3JKkfmSWrTkSMYBb7RFX3aGS6iH1hPXIoekN2 fGgcKUKR7LmUW3QebYwvNCsF94rEj7k5AY1N0sVSWFh74/tzaxj1Oy9Wr79MvZ7P62VA iYfzJDzIiOhYezYbj9hQaZZ3eaiINAQg7L/fC67syCbWAZSgwfpIL6dyE9kZAMA9AyMI p++9wYuFeZar8+VmdmbNSdGu5eEGK0IlEfjPey+f8n6wrGfOaPij9g0pEVoriy0K7sKX fs8vF6DbcPD1lDmKzAXg7fA4lP/8eZj7RbvJi2dZIH+nlVhVv1PP8rMnuTAmukg1MYIg UJWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7HXafenmL2xa5KAdoNGXuiTLIn0kDXmZmHVI5FRuBMlxVRPbt/w 91pCcXQncnot7aL3nthWoSDw0K8ZeYnTG+B2tpr5Vg4z X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48xejFBE7cuzrK4HLN7ayPYUikpOFOfNNtZiFcvt0ksSKm6M1vGhYc5dtf4WvHH8KAySidEb5EP3WWVDfRa7oY= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:242b:: with SMTP id p40-v6mr4129639ota.318.1522316780724; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 02:46:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: carlos.rovira@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a9d:4c86:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2018 02:46:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <76F4E7A3-3027-445A-9CA4-6E3D97372A1D@classsoftware.com> <336001FC-D26A-4D70-B312-C798D5A38267@gmail.com> <5D72EF9C-473A-40DB-ADE0-7B333F39C7AB@gmail.com> From: Carlos Rovira Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:46:00 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zYzBLsrP-9NWoMpJTPfsvssCks8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Browserstack Open Source License for Apache Royale project To: dev@royale.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f36900056889fed7" --000000000000f36900056889fed7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Piotr, I was updating the page to thanks to, adding PrintUI, then read your mail. So go to add Prominic, NextGen (I assume you named Patreon but is not part of what you want to add). Then I realized that both Prominic and NextGen are making great things for this project and community, but when I want to put the "draft line" about what we want to say to thank them I have a problem, since they are not donating a service, a OS license, a time/person to this project... So Moonshine or NextGen are very related to Royale but not part of royale. Are OS projects in their own and in part related to us. I think, and saw this some weeks ago (but still couldn't do it), to add a page or section of IDEs with logos that supports Royale (IntelliJ, VSCode+NextGenAS, Moonshine,..), the same way you did in transpiledactionscript.org. I must do it soon for the website since is important to Royale list those IDEs and community have that info clearly posted in a relevant part of our website. But regarding "Thank you" page, from them the only one that is donating, IMHO, is IntelliJ with its OS license, (although even IntelliJ doesn't support royale officials and Moonshine and NexGenAS are doing). For me seems to me more clear to put IDEs in their own page/section than in a thank you page that as I interpret from the Apache guidelines "is a way for PMCs to thank companies for services or things that they are doing for us". Regarding what Justin says I think Apache is about individuals, but I'm confident that this page is to thanks companies and/or individuals that PMCs want to thank for services or other things they do for us. The first line states: "PMCs may wish to provide recognition for third parties that provide software or services to the project's committers to further the goals of the project" So "third parties that provide software or services" are companies in most of the cases. In the other hand to thank individuals, we already have the team page, where we list PMCs and committers that are working and/or helping the project in one way or another. Here we can find all of us, plus people that was more involved in the past (like Josh, Frederic or Erik), but are not currently involved or not conjuncturaly 2018-03-29 10:49 GMT+02:00 Piotr Zarzycki : > Hi Justin, > > Where are you suggesting to write ? What mailing list ? I think that woul= d > be an approach, because we have to make sure that it is not violation of > some core rules of Apache. > > Thanks, > Piotr > > 2018-03-29 10:46 GMT+02:00 Justin Mclean : > > > Hi, > > > > If you look at the guidelines it suggests that you only give thanks to > > people who provide tools / infrastructure. IMO if you want to start > listing > > contributors companies then you would need to list the all of them and = I > > would also suggest you run this past fundraising. I=E2=80=99m not 100% = sure but > > mentioning companies in that context may not be in line with Apache's > 501c > > status. The ASF is about individuals not companies. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > > > > -- > > Piotr Zarzycki > > Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki > * > --=20 Carlos Rovira http://about.me/carlosrovira --000000000000f36900056889fed7--