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From Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: About Royale MDL Examples
Date Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:26:17 GMT
Ok let's leave it as is. I will take MDL to my repository. I don't want to
fight with Legal about that.

Carlos I will look into the Vivid soon. :)

Thanks, Piotr

2018-02-19 20:23 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>:

> Hi,
>
> as Alex said, Dave and Piotr understand my word incorrectly. Maybe I
> express incorrectly. So bad for myself.
>
> but anyway, I'm with Alex that we as "Apache Royale" should take priority
> for our own UI set, and I prefer all the time that we could spend in MDL
> examples will go to make our own set looks beautiful.
>
> In the end, whatever we interpret, is that Piotr can upload MDLExample to
> their GitHub so make it accesible to anyone.
>
> That's my opinion on this, although I invest lot of time in MDLExample a
> long with Piotr, my intention was to catch eyes and people for the project,
> but in the end I see clearly that any *imported* UI set (MDL, Bootstrap,
> etc...) are not the way we should take. Our future depends in making our
> own UI set.
>
> @Piotr, after testing with Vivid, I see clearly that we can mimic the same
> MDL looks, maybe not 100%, but very closely...and seems a doable task if
> anyone is interesed as a theme, and with only one compilation parameter, we
> can make the entire app looks completly different...I think that should be
> our goal! :)
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> 2018-02-19 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
>
> > @Dave,
> >
> > I agree that you could interpret Carlos's words the way you did, but I
> > also think it is possible that Carlos was referring that the two MDL
> > examples we are discussing aren't as important as some other things on VP
> > Legal's to-do list, which is fair and probably true and why I haven't
> > pinged VP Legal.
> >
> > @Piotr,
> >
> > As Dave says, the way to escalate is to add a comment to the JIRA issue
> or
> > ask politely on legal-discuss.  Again, how important is it?
> >
> > My 2 cents,
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 2/19/18, 8:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Carlos,
> > >
> > >Please stop with the meme that the ASF doesn’t care about projects. It
> is
> > >not helpful and it is not true.
> > >
> > >There are hundreds of projects. I suggested that you politely query on
> > >legal-discuss@.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >Dave
> > >
> > >Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:52 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > >>wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Piotr
> > >>
> > >> my bet is that, as that projects are of no interest for ASF, you can
> > >>upload
> > >> to your GitHub account directly without any word about it.
> > >>
> > >> my 2cnt
> > >>
> > >> 2018-02-19 11:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> >:
> > >>
> > >>> It's been several weeks since w have asked about advice. There is no
> > >>> response. How can we escalate this question higher ?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>>
> > >>> 2018-01-30 19:58 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I created
> > >>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fissues
> > >>>>.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FLEGAL-363&data=02%
> > 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.c
> > >>>>om%7C38e5360cf20847b34cd508d577b572dd%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > cee
> > >>>>1%7C0%7C0%7C636546543554938163&sdata=cDHQDyV2kJw53r7ZQKODy3Itqx2bjl
> > leb6
> > >>>>f28MJeDgE%3D&reserved=0
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Alex
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 1/30/18, 8:48 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think since release has been done we could raise a JIRA.
I will
> > >>>>>try to
> > >>>>> follow it and see how can I help. Will you raise jira since
you
> have
> > >>>>> started legal discussion ?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 2018-01-29 7:59 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Yes, filing a JIRA is probably the next step.  When do
we want to
> > >>> spend
> > >>>>>> more time on this?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -Alex
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 1/28/18, 3:37 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's been more than a week since Alex asked on legal
[1] for
> advice
> > >>> in
> > >>>>>>> case
> > >>>>>>> of that Examples. No response. What's the next step
? Maybe jira
> > >>>>>>>with
> > >>>>>> his
> > >>>>>>> question ?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [1]
> > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F
> > >>>>>>> s5Zp1y&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > >>>> 7C4d3f223be1764199838708d56643
> > >>>>>> 928
> > >>>>>>> c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > >>>>>> 7C636527362778153010&sdata=Ms
> > >>>>>>> 5LmB%2F%2FyotheduBEC2yNYACGTZ%2Bhwenw2CwZj6sUU8%3D&reserved=0
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:59 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > >:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> for me it's ok. My opinion is that example should
be accesible
> but
> > >>>>>>>> outside
> > >>>>>>>> this project for two reasons:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1.- Could be important for people currently using
MDL library.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 2.- As I stated, I want to concentrate our energies
in new
> Royale
> > >>> UI
> > >>>>>> Set
> > >>>>>>>> that eventually has an MDL theme. So maybe this
change will
> > >>> encourage
> > >>>>>>>> us to
> > >>>>>>>> think that is more important to invest in our own
set that
> > >>>>>>>>continue
> > >>>>>>>> working
> > >>>>>>>> in a library that is based on an external set that
we don't
> > >>>>>>>>control
> > >>>>>> (and
> > >>>>>>>> that's deprecated too in favor of material components
by google)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> So if you want to host it is ok for me, if you
do, I'll do
> nothing
> > >>>>>> since
> > >>>>>>>> it's better to have only one repo for both samples,
so people
> > >>> doesn't
> > >>>>>>>> get
> > >>>>>>>> confused
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I think we need to wait for legal decisions about
this
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> thanks!
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Carlos
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki
> > >>>>>> <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I don't mind if you do this.
> > >>>>>>>>> I will personally for sure add those examples
to my own repo
> as I
> > >>>>>>>> stated
> > >>>>>>>> in
> > >>>>>>>>> the RC thread - IF Legal won't allow as to
use it. By won't
> > >>> allow I
> > >>>>>>>> mean
> > >>>>>>>>> the situation where we will have to do some
magic to have that
> > >>>>>>>> example.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Legal discussion is in progress, so I would
wait once it will
> be
> > >>>>>>>> finished.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:39 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> > >>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > >>>>> :
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> separating MDL examples problem from release
so we can get
> that
> > >>>>>> done
> > >>>>>>>> soon
> > >>>>>>>>>> with less noise.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I want to ask here if it would be ok to
upload both
> conflictive
> > >>>>>>>> examples
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> my own github account so people interested
can access it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Let me know in order to proceed.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >>>>>> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > >>>>>>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Patreon:
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> > >>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
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> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Patreon:
> > >>>>>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
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> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Patreon:
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > >>>
> > >>> Patreon:
> > >>>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pa
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Carlos Rovira
> > >>
> > >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Carlos Rovira
> http://about.me/carlosrovira
>



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