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From Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
Subject Re: About Royale MDL Examples
Date Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:07:27 GMT
that would be great! ;)

2018-02-19 20:26 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:

> Ok let's leave it as is. I will take MDL to my repository. I don't want to
> fight with Legal about that.
>
> Carlos I will look into the Vivid soon. :)
>
> Thanks, Piotr
>
> 2018-02-19 20:23 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > as Alex said, Dave and Piotr understand my word incorrectly. Maybe I
> > express incorrectly. So bad for myself.
> >
> > but anyway, I'm with Alex that we as "Apache Royale" should take priority
> > for our own UI set, and I prefer all the time that we could spend in MDL
> > examples will go to make our own set looks beautiful.
> >
> > In the end, whatever we interpret, is that Piotr can upload MDLExample to
> > their GitHub so make it accesible to anyone.
> >
> > That's my opinion on this, although I invest lot of time in MDLExample a
> > long with Piotr, my intention was to catch eyes and people for the
> project,
> > but in the end I see clearly that any *imported* UI set (MDL, Bootstrap,
> > etc...) are not the way we should take. Our future depends in making our
> > own UI set.
> >
> > @Piotr, after testing with Vivid, I see clearly that we can mimic the
> same
> > MDL looks, maybe not 100%, but very closely...and seems a doable task if
> > anyone is interesed as a theme, and with only one compilation parameter,
> we
> > can make the entire app looks completly different...I think that should
> be
> > our goal! :)
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > 2018-02-19 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >
> > > @Dave,
> > >
> > > I agree that you could interpret Carlos's words the way you did, but I
> > > also think it is possible that Carlos was referring that the two MDL
> > > examples we are discussing aren't as important as some other things on
> VP
> > > Legal's to-do list, which is fair and probably true and why I haven't
> > > pinged VP Legal.
> > >
> > > @Piotr,
> > >
> > > As Dave says, the way to escalate is to add a comment to the JIRA issue
> > or
> > > ask politely on legal-discuss.  Again, how important is it?
> > >
> > > My 2 cents,
> > > -Alex
> > >
> > > On 2/19/18, 8:23 AM, "Dave Fisher" <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Carlos,
> > > >
> > > >Please stop with the meme that the ASF doesn’t care about projects. It
> > is
> > > >not helpful and it is not true.
> > > >
> > > >There are hundreds of projects. I suggested that you politely query on
> > > >legal-discuss@.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >Dave
> > > >
> > > >Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:52 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org
> >
> > > >>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Piotr
> > > >>
> > > >> my bet is that, as that projects are of no interest for ASF, you can
> > > >>upload
> > > >> to your GitHub account directly without any word about it.
> > > >>
> > > >> my 2cnt
> > > >>
> > > >> 2018-02-19 11:48 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > >>
> > > >>> It's been several weeks since w have asked about advice. There
is
> no
> > > >>> response. How can we escalate this question higher ?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2018-01-30 19:58 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I created
> > > >>>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > https%3A%2F%2Fissues
> > > >>>>.apache.org%2Fjira%2Fbrowse%2FLEGAL-363&data=02%
> > > 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.c
> > > >>>>om%7C38e5360cf20847b34cd508d577b572dd%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > cee
> > > >>>>1%7C0%7C0%7C636546543554938163&sdata=
> cDHQDyV2kJw53r7ZQKODy3Itqx2bjl
> > > leb6
> > > >>>>f28MJeDgE%3D&reserved=0
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -Alex
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On 1/30/18, 8:48 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think since release has been done we could raise a JIRA.
I will
> > > >>>>>try to
> > > >>>>> follow it and see how can I help. Will you raise jira
since you
> > have
> > > >>>>> started legal discussion ?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> 2018-01-29 7:59 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Yes, filing a JIRA is probably the next step.  When
do we want
> to
> > > >>> spend
> > > >>>>>> more time on this?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> -Alex
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 1/28/18, 3:37 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <
> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> It's been more than a week since Alex asked on
legal [1] for
> > advice
> > > >>> in
> > > >>>>>>> case
> > > >>>>>>> of that Examples. No response. What's the next
step ? Maybe
> jira
> > > >>>>>>>with
> > > >>>>>> his
> > > >>>>>>> question ?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> [1]
> > > >>>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > >>>>>> https%3A%2F%2Fgoo.gl%2F
> > > >>>>>>> s5Zp1y&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > >>>> 7C4d3f223be1764199838708d56643
> > > >>>>>> 928
> > > >>>>>>> c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > >>>>>> 7C636527362778153010&sdata=Ms
> > > >>>>>>> 5LmB%2F%2FyotheduBEC2yNYACGTZ%2Bhwenw2CwZj6sUU8%3D&reserved=0
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:59 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> > carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > >:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Piotr,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> for me it's ok. My opinion is that example
should be accesible
> > but
> > > >>>>>>>> outside
> > > >>>>>>>> this project for two reasons:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> 1.- Could be important for people currently
using MDL library.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> 2.- As I stated, I want to concentrate our
energies in new
> > Royale
> > > >>> UI
> > > >>>>>> Set
> > > >>>>>>>> that eventually has an MDL theme. So maybe
this change will
> > > >>> encourage
> > > >>>>>>>> us to
> > > >>>>>>>> think that is more important to invest in
our own set that
> > > >>>>>>>>continue
> > > >>>>>>>> working
> > > >>>>>>>> in a library that is based on an external
set that we don't
> > > >>>>>>>>control
> > > >>>>>> (and
> > > >>>>>>>> that's deprecated too in favor of material
components by
> google)
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> So if you want to host it is ok for me, if
you do, I'll do
> > nothing
> > > >>>>>> since
> > > >>>>>>>> it's better to have only one repo for both
samples, so people
> > > >>> doesn't
> > > >>>>>>>> get
> > > >>>>>>>> confused
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I think we need to wait for legal decisions
about this
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> thanks!
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Carlos
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>>>>> <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Carlos,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I don't mind if you do this.
> > > >>>>>>>>> I will personally for sure add those examples
to my own repo
> > as I
> > > >>>>>>>> stated
> > > >>>>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>> the RC thread - IF Legal won't allow as
to use it. By won't
> > > >>> allow I
> > > >>>>>>>> mean
> > > >>>>>>>>> the situation where we will have to do
some magic to have
> that
> > > >>>>>>>> example.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Legal discussion is in progress, so I
would wait once it will
> > be
> > > >>>>>>>> finished.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> 2018-01-18 12:39 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira
<
> > > >>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > >>>>> :
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> separating MDL examples problem from
release so we can get
> > that
> > > >>>>>> done
> > > >>>>>>>> soon
> > > >>>>>>>>>> with less noise.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I want to ask here if it would be
ok to upload both
> > conflictive
> > > >>>>>>>> examples
> > > >>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>>> my own github account so people interested
can access it.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Let me know in order to proceed.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Patreon:
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> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > >>>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>> --
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Patreon:
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> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Patreon:
> > > >>>*https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Carlos Rovira
> > > >>
> > > >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
> Piotr Zarzycki
>
> Patreon: *https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki
> <https://www.patreon.com/piotrzarzycki>*
>



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