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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Royale 0.9.0 Released
Date Tue, 30 Jan 2018 16:46:18 GMT
We could appeal to have royalesdk.org allowed as our user-facing site.
IMO, VP Branding never gave us a really good reason why it would be bad
for Apache to allow it.  Every Apache project site I looked at is geared
towards committers as well as users.  I don't think we can avoid appealing
to committers on royale.a.o.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

On 1/30/18, 8:40 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>Hi Alex,
>
>We are providing all of this. We can discuss the best organization, I
>think
>is right to add a links in the Downloads page to Source Code and Github so
>people interested could go directly to that point. I think that while we
>are providing all what Apache require from us we as well are organizing
>and
>presenting in a more modern way and more near to what people expect and
>what others are doing.
>
>For two sites, I think we already have it and are ok with apache rules.
>Remember that royalesdk.org was not allowed by apache brand and legal. So
>for me  royale.a.o is the marketing site and Github (where code resides)
>is
>the "code" site and something directly prepared for people that wants the
>code.
>
>Just my 2 ctnms
>
>2018-01-30 17:16 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
>
>> Hi Carlos,
>>
>> It may not be required by policy, but the first 5 Apache project
>>websites
>> I went to all had download links for the source package on their
>>download
>> page, and any "Source" page pointed to the project's repos.
>>
>> Apache's only official products are source code releases, not binary
>> artifacts.  I think we have to list the source package on the downloads
>> page.  I did see that one project listed the binaries before the source
>>so
>> maybe we can do that.  We want to direct people to our repos as well,
>>but
>> they are not releases.
>>
>> I think we have the option of having our download link redirect to the
>> GitHub releases page if that makes sense.
>>
>> And as Piotr pointed out, there are 3 repos bundled into each release
>> artifact so the "Source" page should reference all 3 repos and the
>> "Downloads" reference the package that contains all 3 repos.
>>
>> Again, this is why I keep thinking we need a separate
>> user-facing/marketing site and domain that is distinct from royale.a.o
>> which is more tuned to attracting new committers.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>> On 1/30/18, 2:49 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
>>Rovira"
>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> >No, I'm talking about this page:
>> >https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.apa
>> >che.org%2Fsource-code%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
>> %7Cafe5673656ea4
>> >92d967c08d567d00eff%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636529065
>> >657298785&sdata=v3PxmC3CwRXMLbJgHZVj8HjpqyG%
>> 2BX%2Bno%2B7OrTixvYLs%3D&reser
>> >ved=0
>> >(link is the footer since its priority is low)
>> >
>> >For all: I updated as well the Home in the pre-production with the NPM
>> >info
>> >so you can check. I added the "NPM" link to footer menu as well, as it
>>was
>> >some time ago before first website release.
>> >
>> >2018-01-30 11:34 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Carlos,
>> >>
>> >> Are you refering by source code - specific TAG in the repository ? If
>> >>you
>> >> wanted to point to the sources you need to point sources for the all
>> >>three
>> >> repository. Point to the 0.9.0 released tag.
>> >>
>> >> But what is for on the Download page link to the sources ? Just to
>> >>address
>> >> other type of users ? If they want to come and help us we have GitHub
>> >>link
>> >> on our page.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Piotr
>> >>
>> >> 2018-01-30 11:20 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
>> >>
>> >> > Hi Alex,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thinking about this and I think is not right. We define Downloads
>>page
>> >> with
>> >> > the following phrase:
>> >> >
>> >> > "Here you can find the binary distributions of Apache Royale SDK
>>for
>> >>you
>> >> to
>> >> > download."
>> >> >
>> >> > the source is in the "source code" page and in the Github link.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think that's the right way, since we provide the separated spaces
>> >>to do
>> >> > that, and make it more clear for users coming
>> >> > (as I mentioned before, we should have two basic types of users,
>> >>people
>> >> > wanting to get the binaries to go fast without worry about more,
>>and
>> >> > people more advanced, first will go to downloads, and second will
>>go
>> >>to
>> >> > source code page or directly to gihub link.
>> >> >
>> >> > But, We should change the source code page with the links to the
>> >>source
>> >> > code bundles.
>> >> > @Andrew can you provide a text and right links to source code so I
>>can
>> >> make
>> >> > the same and put in Source code page?
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 2018-01-30 7:23 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
>> >> >
>> >> > > IMO, we need to list the source package first.  Apache is about
>> >>source.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > This is why I still think about a marketing site and domain that
>>is
>> >> more
>> >> > > like the other JS frameworks out there.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Carlos Rovira
>> >> >
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Piotr Zarzycki
>> >>
>> >> Patreon:
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>> >>reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Carlos Rovira
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>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Carlos Rovira
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