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From Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache Royale website is live!!
Date Thu, 11 Jan 2018 18:41:59 GMT
Hi Dave,

Right! Let's see how much I can do in that front. But as I say, this task
needs the magic of Alex, Peter and others to make the components work as
good as possible and look awesome! (and be able for users to change visuals
to adapt to what they need!)
 :)

2018-01-11 19:34 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>:

> Hi -
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alex
> >
> > 2018-01-11 18:10 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >
> >> Hi Carlos,
> >>
> >> First, thanks for getting the site published and applying Andrew's
> changes.
> >>
> >
> > thanks for your words :)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Now you know another reason why I wanted to get the website done in
> Royale
> >> sooner.  Then we could accept patches the way folks expect.
> >>
> >
> > Right, I'm with you, but I have fears of failing for be in the eye of
> > people too soon.
> > But hey! we are a community and I respect the global way of thinking of
> > release web ASAP :)
> > I think the majority use to be more accurate than only one brain ;)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I understand that WordPress is very powerful and you were able to save
> >> much time to quickly get a great looking site together for us.  But,
> IMO,
> >> the project's site on royale.a.o needs to be open like the rest of our
> >> code.  I'm beginning to wonder if a marketing site is going to align
> with
> >> the ASF's expectations on project sites.  It might be that the marketing
> >> site is something that should be managed outside of the project.
> >>
> >
> > Regarding this, this effort is to bring us more time to focus on what is
> > really important.
> > We need lots of things that are the real things people expect to see in
> > Royale. We need that ASAP.
> > If we don't get that, don't worry that we change the web for another,
> it'd
> > be a useless work.
> >
> > Now think that we get all the needed things in Royale working good, and
> > people like Royale.
> > Then we have more time to make what community wants we the site, since
> the
> > important task are done.
> > I only get you and others more time to focus on what's important (first
> > release, UI set, thumbing, forms, validation,...)
> >
> > In the other hand, I expect people (committers, PMCs, and others) to help
> > with website in the same way we do here
> > What if we have a middle step that is outside of this mailing list,
> Github,
> > or other tool? The important thing is that
> > the final result is committed to the Royale-website/asf-site repo. That's
> > is what Apache ask us to do.
> >
> > The WP instance is only a facility. If we remove them, people can still
> > modify the site. The only problem is that changes
> > will be less dramatic in terms of graphics, animations, layouts and more,
> > since is difficult and WP give us lots of resources
> > ready to use. But change content, make new pages, and more, could be done
> > by anyone without it. Think on this like a comparision
> > with an IDE vs notepad to code.... You can code the source you make in
> > notepad or in VSCode or Moonlight...
> > That's the same, we can be more productive with WP or less with notepad.
> >
> > The important thing is that we are here not to do that, we are here to
> make
> > Apache Royale!
> > And one thing is for sure, is very difficult to get the same result we
> have
> > now with something made by hand by us.
> > Simply is a huge task and not only dependent of the state of royale to
> make
> > website, is about to compite with years
> > of hundreds of people that give us something focused on make websites.
> > Where designers, coders, frontend programers, etc..
> > have work. We don't have right now a team that could bring us a royale
> web
> > site that compites with the actual one,
> > but maybe in the future.
> >
> > Take the example of SEO. I put SEO working in almost no time, thanks to
> > Wordpress abilities. If you made this from scratch
> > you'll need to modify any page by hand one by one and test if that works
> > ok, and then iterate. Think about the same iteration I'm doing with
> Andrew
> > corrections, but multiplied by 100 since is not about content...is about
> > get an easy way to get things done as quickly as possible since, in the
> > end,
> > make a website is not our job. Our job is to make front end tech that in
> > the end be able to make our website. But this could happen in some years
> if
> > we get a product that people wants, and they allow us to reach that goal.
> >
> > That's only my opinion, and please don't think that I don't want you to
> try
> > to replicate the website in Royale.
> > I only want to be as honest as possible and let you know what I think,
> but
> > if you want to replicate the site, you are completely free to do.
> > For me the next task, now that I can to push to GitHub again, is to focus
> > on themeing and UI set.
>
> I think you are setting up an honest goal and a high bar! If Royale
> achieves this that will be a powerful measure of success!
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> On 1/10/18, 2:37 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> >> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Om,
> >>>
> >>> when we started the website I was making some research to see if we can
> >>> make things in markdown, but seems markdown is very limited.
> >>> It's great for the wiki and docs, but to make something more visual as
> our
> >>> "public face" or "marketing face", I think is very limited.
> >>>
> >>> There's no way to match the website pages with markdown.
> >>>
> >>> But the website is only an "entry point" for the visitors that will
> end in
> >>> Github Wiki page, Github reference page, Github issues page, etc...
> >>> And some of them are directly created and edited from GitHub. So I'm
> very
> >>> happy.
> >>>
> >>> I think is important to have a quick system that gives an easy way to
> >>> update the website and to get blog post and articles published (we have
> >>> that with WP backend), and the same for Wiki, Reference and Docs (and
> we
> >>> have that with GitHub)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2018-01-10 23:28 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> In a perfect world, we will let content editors provide content,
> patches
> >>>> and PRs.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are wordpress plugins available that read markdown files from
> >>>> Github
> >>>> urls. For example
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwordpres
> >>>> s.org%2Fplugins%2Fmytory-markdown%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%
> 40adobe.com
> >> %7C
> >>>> a1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7
> >>>> C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=ePsTqOWiACt2VauGw0ilqt1PZI5uyD
> >> SDo6aX50kfXkU
> >>>> %3D&reserved=0
> >>>>
> >>>> This way, the content can be in git and form(styles, images, etc) can
> >>>> be on
> >>>> WP.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>
> >>>> Om
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 10, 2018 2:19 PM, "Carlos Rovira" <carlosrovira@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Andrew, I ask you to make changes to the doc in order to check
> things
> >>>>> done, and comment if there's some questions. I introduced all
> changes,
> >>>> and
> >>>>> uploaded to git. We must wait until automatic publication
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Dave, I can look for a way to make people make changes and ask
for
> >>>>> revision (anyone out there) or give direct (committers and PMCs)
> >>>>> regarding more automation I see it more dificult since the process
is
> >>>> to
> >>>> :
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1.- Push Generate Button (to create the static version)
> >>>>> 2.- overlay with actual repo (there we can have content or theme
> >>>> updates
> >>>>> that fixes some things in layouts, css, etc... and so on)
> >>>>> 3.- commit and push
> >>>>> 4.- wait for automatic publication
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But that's no a problem for me needs human touch, but is easy to
do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2018-01-10 22:33 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Piotr has a good point. Please work with Andrew on the content
> >>>> updates.
> >>>>>> Some may be in the template and other parts are content.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regarding content it should be possible for any committer to
make
> >>>>> changes.
> >>>>>> At first you will need to periodically do export and update.
Later
> >>>> either
> >>>>>> we will have moved the site to Royale and be using a build process,
> >>>> or
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>> would setup an automated process into a staged site that is
then
> >>>>> published.
> >>>>>> This is what the Apache CMS can do.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> An alternative approach that I have used at my former job is
to
> >>>> create
> >>>> an
> >>>>>> RSS content feed in WP and then we can pull updates from the
RSS
> >>>> feed
> >>>>> into
> >>>>>> the site. A custom feed is possible to retrieve metadata.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Dave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carlos,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What do you think about Andrew changes. I think they are
really
> >>>> good.
> >>>>> We
> >>>>>>> could apply them on our self.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2018-01-10 22:21 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira
> >>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Om,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> that's not possible. We're making all changes in WP
through admin
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>> exported and published.
> >>>>>>>> something out of this workflow will not be possible.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, I could see some WP system for people to register
in WP
> >>>>> backend
> >>>>>>>> and make changes and send for approval. I think there's
some
> >>>> ways to
> >>>>> do
> >>>>>>>> that if there's enough interest.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 20:26 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <
> >>>> bigosmallm@gmail.com
> >>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think a better approach would be for Andrew to
send a Pull
> >>>> Request
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> >>>> om%2Fapache%2Froyale-website%2Ftree%2Fasf-site&
> >> data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40ad
> >>>> obe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> >> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >>>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=%
> 2Bi0llAekgvqB3H3fKDIKXfaSYj4FA
> >> mD
> >>>> pjO%2BkAOrYfY4%3D&reserved=0.
> >>>>>>>>> Carlos/Piotr, is that possible, given the current
state of how
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> website
> >>>>>>>>> is being deployed?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Carlos Rovira
<
> >>>>>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Andrew,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the revision! :)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If you want to share only text, you could make
a list and post
> >>>>>> directly
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> this list, open a new thread
> >>>>>>>>>> If you want to attach screenshots, you can upload
a PDF or
> >>>> something
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> that and share in a service you like (dropbox,
google drive...)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 19:36 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> >>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> >>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Attached files would be also stripped out.
Just upload that
> >>>> file
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>> server Onedrive or something like that.
You can also make pull
> >>>>>>>> request
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> the repository [1], branch asf-site.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> >>>> om%2Fapache%2Froyale-website%2Ftree%2Fasf-site&
> >> data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40ad
> >>>> obe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> >> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >>>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=%
> 2Bi0llAekgvqB3H3fKDIKXfaSYj4FA
> >> mD
> >>>> pjO%2BkAOrYfY4%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that! :)
> >>>>>>>>>>> Piotr
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 19:07 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wetmore
> >>>> <cottage14@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There are quite a number of small issues.
I would prefer to
> >>>> create
> >>>>>>>>>> table
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (existing text, proposed new text, and
notes if any) and
> >>>> share
> >>>>>>>> that.
> >>>>>>>>>> Can
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just attach a Word doc to a message
in this list?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Piotr
Zarzycki <
> >>>>>>>>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Andrew,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you seeing that text?
If you send some screenshot
> >>>> it
> >>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> stripped out from the mailing list.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can use nabble to post a screenshot
[1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-ro
> >>>> yale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%
> 40adobe.com
> >> %7C
> >>>> a1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7
> >>>> C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=cfL5hz54ZBeKEalD65USTMNyJMya3R
> >> eH6Vu4f41WSFs
> >>>> %3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018, 18:20 Andrew
Wetmore <
> >>>> cottage14@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However...there is some pretty
odd text here and there. Is
> >>>>>>>>> someone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> handling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text tweaking?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avas
> >>>> t.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_&data=02%
> >> 7C01%7Caharui%40ado
> >>>> be.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> c
> >>>> ee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=zGLhJrJxvfEXz6g4IHOhrLsjJ88FXc
> >> A%2F
> >>>> Qj4fZvV5lc8%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virus-free.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> www.avast.com&data=02%
> >>>> 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587a
> >> db58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
> >>>> 34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&
> >> sdata=%2B5346DUDrUVRI
> >>>> w60rM8EmbUJ6vW3Hu51bwQoSK5b0Pw%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avas
> >>>> t.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_&data=02%
> >> 7C01%7Caharui%40ado
> >>>> be.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> c
> >>>> ee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=zGLhJrJxvfEXz6g4IHOhrLsjJ88FXc
> >> A%2F
> >>>> Qj4fZvV5lc8%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:05
PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <3
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Carlos!!!!! :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 17:03 GMT+01:00
Carlos Rovira <
> >>>>>>>>>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just say that Apache
Royale website is live now! :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C63651220757758276
> >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ71DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0>*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Wetmore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fcottage14
> >>>> .blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a4
> >>>> 08d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582
> >>>> 763&sdata=oGuzTsXGtuGDJbxDIBsPhF%2F3MJ9JUPUhuFXLtY69mLY%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Wetmore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fcottage14
> >>>> .blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a4
> >>>> 08d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582
> >>>> 763&sdata=oGuzTsXGtuGDJbxDIBsPhF%2F3MJ9JUPUhuFXLtY69mLY%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0>*
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C63651220757758276
> >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ71DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C63651220757758276
> >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ71DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Patreon:
> >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> >>>> ed=0>*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C63651220757758276
> >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ71DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Carlos Rovira
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> >>> Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5
> >>> 587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> >> 7C636512207577582763&s
> >>> data=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ71DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
>
>


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http://about.me/carlosrovira

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