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From Carlos Rovira <carlosrov...@apache.org>
Subject Re: PLAYERGLOBAL requirement (was Re: Apache Royale website is live!!)
Date Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:55:07 GMT
Hi Piotr,
just done right now
thanks

2018-01-14 13:49 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:

> Carlos,
>
> I'm still thinking that maybe Getting Started should be in the main menu
> and Try It Now more hidden. - It's not ready yet.
>
> Thanks, Piotr
>
> 2018-01-14 13:46 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
>
> > Hi, if you want that I help inserting something in "Getting Started" let
> me
> > about the text and where to insert it.
> >
> > You can as well insert it yourself if you want. Choose whatever you feel
> > more confortable
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > 2018-01-12 18:29 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > I don't have such problems in case of jsonly package. Agree that it
> have
> > to
> > > be in the Readme and Getting Started.
> > >
> > > Readme talking only about building Royale, but definitely have to have
> > > section how to use it.
> > >
> > > I'm ok with both options Flexjs and output. In case of that I'm for
> > voting.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jan 12, 2018, 18:09 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you grab the jsonly package do you have the same problem?
> > > >
> > > > Maybe we need to change the package names.  I realized the other day
> > that
> > > > I originally proposed to put 'flexjs' in the package name and hadn't
> > > > gotten around to that.  Then we also discussed putting output format
> in
> > > > the package names.
> > > >
> > > > Either way, IMO, this sort of information should be on the getting
> > > started
> > > > pages and should be in the README in the package.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents,
> > > > -Alex
> > > >
> > > > On 1/12/18, 12:22 AM, "Piotr Zarzycki" <piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > >There is one thing which I believe we should describe on the
> website.
> > > If I
> > > > >have clean PC - absolutely no environment variables like
> > > PLAYERGLOBAL_HOME
> > > > >etc. I download package "apache-royale-0.9.0-bin.zip" and compile
> some
> > > > >"Hello World" to JS - it will fail complaining that I'm missing
> > > > >playerglobal.swc.
> > > > >
> > > > >That is ok, but we should describe somewhere on the website that
> user
> > > have
> > > > >to download on his own that dependency or use ant script which helps
> > to
> > > do
> > > > >that "InstallAdobeSDKs.xml".
> > > > >
> > > > >- As a minimum download on his own playerglobal.swc and put to the
> > > > >folder /frameworks/libs/player/{version of player global folder}
> > > > >- Use ant script which helps to setup all the dependencies
> > > > >"InstallAdobeSDKs.xml"
> > > > >- Setup PLAYERGLOBAL_HOME environment variable
> > > > >
> > > > >Where on the website such information do you think should be placed
> ?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks, Piotr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >2018-01-11 19:41 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Dave,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Right! Let's see how much I can do in that front. But as I say,
> this
> > > > >>task
> > > > >> needs the magic of Alex, Peter and others to make the components
> > work
> > > as
> > > > >> good as possible and look awesome! (and be able for users to
> change
> > > > >>visuals
> > > > >> to adapt to what they need!)
> > > > >>  :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2018-01-11 19:34 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hi -
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On Jan 11, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Carlos Rovira
> > > > >><carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Hi Alex
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > 2018-01-11 18:10 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui
> <aharui@adobe.com.invalid
> > >:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> Hi Carlos,
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> First, thanks for getting the site published and applying
> > > Andrew's
> > > > >> > changes.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > thanks for your words :)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Now you know another reason why I wanted to get the website
> > done
> > > in
> > > > >> > Royale
> > > > >> > >> sooner.  Then we could accept patches the way folks expect.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Right, I'm with you, but I have fears of failing for be in the
> > eye
> > > > >>of
> > > > >> > > people too soon.
> > > > >> > > But hey! we are a community and I respect the global way of
> > > > >>thinking of
> > > > >> > > release web ASAP :)
> > > > >> > > I think the majority use to be more accurate than only one
> brain
> > > ;)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> I understand that WordPress is very powerful and you were
> able
> > to
> > > > >>save
> > > > >> > >> much time to quickly get a great looking site together for
> us.
> > > > >>But,
> > > > >> > IMO,
> > > > >> > >> the project's site on royale.a.o needs to be open like the
> rest
> > > of
> > > > >>our
> > > > >> > >> code.  I'm beginning to wonder if a marketing site is going
> to
> > > > >>align
> > > > >> > with
> > > > >> > >> the ASF's expectations on project sites.  It might be that
> the
> > > > >> marketing
> > > > >> > >> site is something that should be managed outside of the
> > project.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Regarding this, this effort is to bring us more time to focus
> on
> > > > >>what
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > > really important.
> > > > >> > > We need lots of things that are the real things people expect
> to
> > > > >>see in
> > > > >> > > Royale. We need that ASAP.
> > > > >> > > If we don't get that, don't worry that we change the web for
> > > > >>another,
> > > > >> > it'd
> > > > >> > > be a useless work.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Now think that we get all the needed things in Royale working
> > > good,
> > > > >>and
> > > > >> > > people like Royale.
> > > > >> > > Then we have more time to make what community wants we the
> site,
> > > > >>since
> > > > >> > the
> > > > >> > > important task are done.
> > > > >> > > I only get you and others more time to focus on what's
> important
> > > > >>(first
> > > > >> > > release, UI set, thumbing, forms, validation,...)
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > In the other hand, I expect people (committers, PMCs, and
> > others)
> > > to
> > > > >> help
> > > > >> > > with website in the same way we do here
> > > > >> > > What if we have a middle step that is outside of this mailing
> > > list,
> > > > >> > Github,
> > > > >> > > or other tool? The important thing is that
> > > > >> > > the final result is committed to the Royale-website/asf-site
> > repo.
> > > > >> That's
> > > > >> > > is what Apache ask us to do.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The WP instance is only a facility. If we remove them, people
> > can
> > > > >>still
> > > > >> > > modify the site. The only problem is that changes
> > > > >> > > will be less dramatic in terms of graphics, animations,
> layouts
> > > and
> > > > >> more,
> > > > >> > > since is difficult and WP give us lots of resources
> > > > >> > > ready to use. But change content, make new pages, and more,
> > could
> > > be
> > > > >> done
> > > > >> > > by anyone without it. Think on this like a comparision
> > > > >> > > with an IDE vs notepad to code.... You can code the source you
> > > make
> > > > >>in
> > > > >> > > notepad or in VSCode or Moonlight...
> > > > >> > > That's the same, we can be more productive with WP or less
> with
> > > > >> notepad.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The important thing is that we are here not to do that, we are
> > > here
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> > make
> > > > >> > > Apache Royale!
> > > > >> > > And one thing is for sure, is very difficult to get the same
> > > result
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> > have
> > > > >> > > now with something made by hand by us.
> > > > >> > > Simply is a huge task and not only dependent of the state of
> > > royale
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> > make
> > > > >> > > website, is about to compite with years
> > > > >> > > of hundreds of people that give us something focused on make
> > > > >>websites.
> > > > >> > > Where designers, coders, frontend programers, etc..
> > > > >> > > have work. We don't have right now a team that could bring us
> a
> > > > >>royale
> > > > >> > web
> > > > >> > > site that compites with the actual one,
> > > > >> > > but maybe in the future.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Take the example of SEO. I put SEO working in almost no time,
> > > > >>thanks to
> > > > >> > > Wordpress abilities. If you made this from scratch
> > > > >> > > you'll need to modify any page by hand one by one and test if
> > that
> > > > >> works
> > > > >> > > ok, and then iterate. Think about the same iteration I'm doing
> > > with
> > > > >> > Andrew
> > > > >> > > corrections, but multiplied by 100 since is not about
> > content...is
> > > > >> about
> > > > >> > > get an easy way to get things done as quickly as possible
> since,
> > > in
> > > > >>the
> > > > >> > > end,
> > > > >> > > make a website is not our job. Our job is to make front end
> tech
> > > > >>that
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > > the end be able to make our website. But this could happen in
> > some
> > > > >> years
> > > > >> > if
> > > > >> > > we get a product that people wants, and they allow us to reach
> > > that
> > > > >> goal.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > That's only my opinion, and please don't think that I don't
> want
> > > > >>you to
> > > > >> > try
> > > > >> > > to replicate the website in Royale.
> > > > >> > > I only want to be as honest as possible and let you know what
> I
> > > > >>think,
> > > > >> > but
> > > > >> > > if you want to replicate the site, you are completely free to
> > do.
> > > > >> > > For me the next task, now that I can to push to GitHub again,
> is
> > > to
> > > > >> focus
> > > > >> > > on themeing and UI set.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I think you are setting up an honest goal and a high bar! If
> > Royale
> > > > >> > achieves this that will be a powerful measure of success!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Regards,
> > > > >> > Dave
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks!
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> > >> -Alex
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> On 1/10/18, 2:37 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of
> > > Carlos
> > > > >> > Rovira"
> > > > >> > >> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of
> carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > >>wrote:
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>> Hi Om,
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> when we started the website I was making some research to
> see
> > if
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> can
> > > > >> > >>> make things in markdown, but seems markdown is very limited.
> > > > >> > >>> It's great for the wiki and docs, but to make something more
> > > > >>visual
> > > > >> as
> > > > >> > our
> > > > >> > >>> "public face" or "marketing face", I think is very limited.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> There's no way to match the website pages with markdown.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> But the website is only an "entry point" for the visitors
> that
> > > > >>will
> > > > >> > end in
> > > > >> > >>> Github Wiki page, Github reference page, Github issues page,
> > > > >>etc...
> > > > >> > >>> And some of them are directly created and edited from
> GitHub.
> > So
> > > > >>I'm
> > > > >> > very
> > > > >> > >>> happy.
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> I think is important to have a quick system that gives an
> easy
> > > > >>way to
> > > > >> > >>> update the website and to get blog post and articles
> published
> > > (we
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > >>> that with WP backend), and the same for Wiki, Reference and
> > Docs
> > > > >>(and
> > > > >> > we
> > > > >> > >>> have that with GitHub)
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> 2018-01-10 23:28 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
> > > > >><bigosmallm@gmail.com
> > > > >> >:
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>> In a perfect world, we will let content editors provide
> > > content,
> > > > >> > patches
> > > > >> > >>>> and PRs.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> There are wordpress plugins available that read markdown
> > files
> > > > >>from
> > > > >> > >>>> Github
> > > > >> > >>>> urls. For example
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwordpres
> > > > >> > >>>> s.org%2Fplugins%2Fmytory-markdown%2F&data=02%7C01%
> 7Caharui%
> > > > >> > 40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7C
> > > > >> > >>>> a1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7
> > > > >> > >>>> C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=
> ePsTqOWiACt2VauGw0ilqt1PZI5uyD
> > > > >> > >> SDo6aX50kfXkU
> > > > >> > >>>> %3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> This way, the content can be in git and form(styles,
> images,
> > > etc)
> > > > >> can
> > > > >> > >>>> be on
> > > > >> > >>>> WP.
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Thoughts?
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> Om
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> On Jan 10, 2018 2:19 PM, "Carlos Rovira"
> > > > >><carlosrovira@apache.org>
> > > > >> > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi,
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> @Andrew, I ask you to make changes to the doc in order to
> > > check
> > > > >> > things
> > > > >> > >>>>> done, and comment if there's some questions. I introduced
> > all
> > > > >> > changes,
> > > > >> > >>>> and
> > > > >> > >>>>> uploaded to git. We must wait until automatic publication
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> @Dave, I can look for a way to make people make changes
> and
> > > ask
> > > > >>for
> > > > >> > >>>>> revision (anyone out there) or give direct (committers and
> > > PMCs)
> > > > >> > >>>>> regarding more automation I see it more dificult since the
> > > > >>process
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > >>>> to
> > > > >> > >>>> :
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> 1.- Push Generate Button (to create the static version)
> > > > >> > >>>>> 2.- overlay with actual repo (there we can have content or
> > > theme
> > > > >> > >>>> updates
> > > > >> > >>>>> that fixes some things in layouts, css, etc... and so on)
> > > > >> > >>>>> 3.- commit and push
> > > > >> > >>>>> 4.- wait for automatic publication
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> But that's no a problem for me needs human touch, but is
> > easy
> > > to
> > > > >> do.
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> Thanks
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> 2018-01-10 22:33 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <
> > dave2wave@comcast.net
> > > >:
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Hi -
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Piotr has a good point. Please work with Andrew on the
> > > content
> > > > >> > >>>> updates.
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Some may be in the template and other parts are content.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Regarding content it should be possible for any committer
> > to
> > > > >>make
> > > > >> > >>>>> changes.
> > > > >> > >>>>>> At first you will need to periodically do export and
> > update.
> > > > >>Later
> > > > >> > >>>> either
> > > > >> > >>>>>> we will have moved the site to Royale and be using a
> build
> > > > >> process,
> > > > >> > >>>> or
> > > > >> > >>>>> you
> > > > >> > >>>>>> would setup an automated process into a staged site that
> is
> > > > >>then
> > > > >> > >>>>> published.
> > > > >> > >>>>>> This is what the Apache CMS can do.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> An alternative approach that I have used at my former job
> > is
> > > to
> > > > >> > >>>> create
> > > > >> > >>>> an
> > > > >> > >>>>>> RSS content feed in WP and then we can pull updates from
> > the
> > > > >>RSS
> > > > >> > >>>> feed
> > > > >> > >>>>> into
> > > > >> > >>>>>> the site. A custom feed is possible to retrieve metadata.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >> > >>>>>> Dave
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > >> > >>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Carlos,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> What do you think about Andrew changes. I think they are
> > > > >>really
> > > > >> > >>>> good.
> > > > >> > >>>>> We
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> could apply them on our self.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> 2018-01-10 22:21 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org>:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Hi Om,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> that's not possible. We're making all changes in WP
> > through
> > > > >> admin
> > > > >> > >>>> and
> > > > >> > >>>>>> then
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> exported and published.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> something out of this workflow will not be possible.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> However, I could see some WP system for people to
> > register
> > > > >>in WP
> > > > >> > >>>>> backend
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> and make changes and send for approval. I think there's
> > > some
> > > > >> > >>>> ways to
> > > > >> > >>>>> do
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> that if there's enough interest.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Thanks
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 20:26 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <
> > > > >> > >>>> bigosmallm@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>> :
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I think a better approach would be for Andrew to send
> a
> > > Pull
> > > > >> > >>>> Request
> > > > >> > >>>>> to
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> > > > >> > >>>> om%2Fapache%2Froyale-website%2Ftree%2Fasf-site&
> > > > >> > >> data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40ad
> > > > >> > >>>> obe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > > >> > >> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >>>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=%
> > > > >> > 2Bi0llAekgvqB3H3fKDIKXfaSYj4FA
> > > > >> > >> mD
> > > > >> > >>>> pjO%2BkAOrYfY4%3D&reserved=0.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Carlos/Piotr, is that possible, given the current
> state
> > of
> > > > >>how
> > > > >> > >>>> the
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> website
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> is being deployed?
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Om
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Carlos Rovira <
> > > > >> > >>>>>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Andrew,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> thanks for the revision! :)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> If you want to share only text, you could make a list
> > and
> > > > >>post
> > > > >> > >>>>>> directly
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> this list, open a new thread
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> If you want to attach screenshots, you can upload a
> PDF
> > > or
> > > > >> > >>>> something
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> like
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> that and share in a service you like (dropbox, google
> > > > >> drive...)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 19:36 GMT+01:00 Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > >> > >>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> :
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Attached files would be also stripped out. Just
> upload
> > > > >>that
> > > > >> > >>>> file
> > > > >> > >>>> to
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> some
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> server Onedrive or something like that. You can also
> > > make
> > > > >> pull
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> request
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the repository [1], branch asf-site.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.c
> > > > >> > >>>> om%2Fapache%2Froyale-website%2Ftree%2Fasf-site&
> > > > >> > >> data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40ad
> > > > >> > >>>> obe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > > >> > >> 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >>>> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=%
> > > > >> > 2Bi0llAekgvqB3H3fKDIKXfaSYj4FA
> > > > >> > >> mD
> > > > >> > >>>> pjO%2BkAOrYfY4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that! :)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Piotr
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 19:07 GMT+01:00 Andrew Wetmore
> > > > >> > >>>> <cottage14@gmail.com>:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> There are quite a number of small issues. I would
> > > prefer
> > > > >>to
> > > > >> > >>>> create
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> table
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> (existing text, proposed new text, and notes if
> any)
> > > and
> > > > >> > >>>> share
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> that.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Can
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> just attach a Word doc to a message in this list?
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Piotr Zarzycki <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Andrew,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you seeing that text? If you send some
> > > > >>screenshot
> > > > >> > >>>> it
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> can
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> be
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> stripped out from the mailing list.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You can use nabble to post a screenshot [1]
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fapache-ro
> > > > >> > >>>> yale-development.20373.n8.nabble.com&data=02%7C01%
> 7Caharui%
> > > > >> > 40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7C
> > > > >> > >>>> a1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7
> > > > >> > >>>> C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=
> cfL5hz54ZBeKEalD65USTMNyJMya3R
> > > > >> > >> eH6Vu4f41WSFs
> > > > >> > >>>> %3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Piotr
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018, 18:20 Andrew Wetmore <
> > > > >> > >>>> cottage14@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> However...there is some pretty odd text here and
> > > > >>there. Is
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> someone
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> handling
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> text tweaking?
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avas
> > > > >> > >>>> t.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_&data=02%
> > > > >> > >> 7C01%7Caharui%40ado
> > > > >> > >>>> be.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > > >> > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> c
> > > > >> > >>>> ee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=
> > > > >> zGLhJrJxvfEXz6g4IHOhrLsjJ88FXc
> > > > >> > >> A%2F
> > > > >> > >>>> Qj4fZvV5lc8%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-
> > > email&utm_content=webmail
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Virus-free.
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > www.avast.com&data=02%
> > > > >>7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > %7Cd7a7ff2afb4648f6e08c08d55995b357%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
> > > > >>34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636513421850976562&
> > > sdata=ytL1XfBX0dSn5zQ
> > > > >>GF3LzNuCZiTX%2BA7uU1WoCfBCkS4A%3D&reserved=0&data=02%
> > > > >> > >>>> 7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587a
> > > > >> > >> db58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
> > > > >> > >>>> 34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&
> > > > >> > >> sdata=%2B5346DUDrUVRI
> > > > >> > >>>> w60rM8EmbUJ6vW3Hu51bwQoSK5b0Pw%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avas
> > > > >> > >>>> t.com%2Fsig-email%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_&data=02%
> > > > >> > >> 7C01%7Caharui%40ado
> > > > >> > >>>> be.com%7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5587adb58%
> > > > >> > 7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> c
> > > > >> > >>>> ee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582763&sdata=
> > > > >> zGLhJrJxvfEXz6g4IHOhrLsjJ88FXc
> > > > >> > >> A%2F
> > > > >> > >>>> Qj4fZvV5lc8%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> source=link&utm_campaign=sig-
> > > email&utm_content=webmail
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Piotr Zarzycki
> <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> piotrzarzycki21@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <3
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Carlos!!!!! :)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-01-10 17:03 GMT+01:00 Carlos Rovira <
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> carlosrovira@apache.org
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> :
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just say that Apache Royale website is live
> now!
> > :)
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> > >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> > > > >> > >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > > >> > >> 7C63651220757758276
> > > > >> > >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ7
> > > 1DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> > > > >> > >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0>*
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Wetmore
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fcottage14
> > > > >> > >>>> .blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a4
> > > > >> > >>>> 08d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582
> > > > >> > >>>> 763&sdata=oGuzTsXGtuGDJbxDIBsPhF%
> 2F3MJ9JUPUhuFXLtY69mLY%3D&
> > > > >> reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Wetmore
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fcottage14
> > > > >> > >>>> .blogspot.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a4
> > > > >> > >>>> 08d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C636512207577582
> > > > >> > >>>> 763&sdata=oGuzTsXGtuGDJbxDIBsPhF%
> 2F3MJ9JUPUhuFXLtY69mLY%3D&
> > > > >> reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Patreon:
> > > > >> > >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0>*
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> > >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> > > > >> > >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > > >> > >> 7C63651220757758276
> > > > >> > >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ7
> > > 1DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> > >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> > > > >> > >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > > >> > >> 7C63651220757758276
> > > > >> > >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ7
> > > 1DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Patreon:
> > > > >> > >>>> *https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pat
> > > > >> > >>>> reon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > >> > >> %7Ca1f216958a02
> > > > >> > >>>> 4cbf47a408d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > > >> > >> cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365122
> > > > >> > >>>> 07577582763&sdata=sEoh%2B2WwiPSvpE237tSGLTauIOin9h8jf
> > > > >> > >> nO7NzxyqWs%3D&reserv
> > > > >> > >>>> ed=0>*
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>> --
> > > > >> > >>>>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >> > >>>> 2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408
> > > > >> > >>>> d5587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > > >> > >> 7C63651220757758276
> > > > >> > >>>> 3&sdata=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ7
> > > 1DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > >>> --
> > > > >> > >>> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > > >> > >> http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%2
> > > > >> > >>> Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com%
> > > > >> > >> 7Ca1f216958a024cbf47a408d5
> > > > >> > >>> 587adb58%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > > >> > >> 7C636512207577582763&s
> > > > >> > >>> data=bM6bxTZocwVztjQLK0gzjDIITY9nZ7
> > 1DrKkhbmMEOe4%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > --
> > > > >> > > Carlos Rovira
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >>
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > %7Cd7a7ff2afb4648f6e08c08
> > > > >>d55995b357%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > 7C63651342185097656
> > > > >>2&sdata=yO6aa93uWxNmB12eQtfQxQKpKXkvka
> McqrER5%2F6quIs%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Carlos Rovira
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > http%3A%2F%2Fabout.me%
> > > > >>2Fcarlosrovira&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > %7Cd7a7ff2afb4648f6e08c08
> > > > >>d55995b357%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> > > 7C63651342185097656
> > > > >>2&sdata=yO6aa93uWxNmB12eQtfQxQKpKXkvka
> McqrER5%2F6quIs%3D&reserved=0
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >
> > > > >Piotr Zarzycki
> > > > >
> > > > >Patreon:
> > > > >*
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> > > > >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > %7Cd7a7ff2afb4648
> > > > >f6e08c08d55995b357%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365134218
> > > > >50976562&sdata=IbYAEmw3wpyb7VIwudi5l%2FzuLtLOi6FMWa0PGmVkv2U%3D&
> > > reserved=0
> > > > ><
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > > https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patr
> > > > >eon.com%2Fpiotrzarzycki&data=02%7C01%7Caharui%40adobe.com
> > > > %7Cd7a7ff2afb4648
> > > > >f6e08c08d55995b357%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178de
> > > cee1%7C0%7C0%7C6365134218
> > > > >50976562&sdata=IbYAEmw3wpyb7VIwudi5l%2FzuLtLOi6FMWa0PGmVkv2U%3D&
> > > reserved=0
> > > > >>*
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carlos Rovira
> > http://about.me/carlosrovira
> >
>
>
>
> --
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