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From Alex Harui <aha...@adobe.com.INVALID>
Subject Re: Apache Royale static web site
Date Thu, 02 Nov 2017 21:44:16 GMT
FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks and
Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
royale.codeoscopic.com.  That'll keep us for burning more energy trying to
make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done, including
creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we liked
from royale.codeoscopic.

Thoughts?
-Alex

On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

>Hi Alex,
>
>notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to get the
>site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
>As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site. We
>are
>know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current talk
>with
>Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
>preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the rest
>of the site in order to get it final.
>
>Let's see what happen.
>
>Thanks
>
>Carlos
>
>
>
>2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>:
>
>> I think there were objections to that as well.  Also note that the
>>current
>> state of 
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co
>>deoscopic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
>>5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=0899xFFPDf8
>>NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other
>>adjustments to
>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an Apache
>> project.  This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
>>things.
>>
>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
>>this
>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
>> problem.  One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos would
>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and build a
>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks similar"
>> but with conforming content.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>> [1] 
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>>e.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510
>>8d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364495717568822
>>95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree.  We might want to avoid that.
>> >
>> >Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com site has been done
>>already.
>> >
>> >Can we push for this?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Om
>> >
>> >On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
>><carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Om,
>> >>
>> >> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do this.
>> >>
>> >> How we can put the static generated site live under royale.apache.org
>> >> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very important)
>> >> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
>> >>
>> >> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website code
>>to
>> >>some
>> >> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> > I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for now.
>> >> > As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
>>just
>> >> > Royale.  At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com site with
>> the
>> >> new
>> >> > Royale based website.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
>>like
>> >>the
>> >> > wp.com.  So, worrying about legal implications of maintaining the
>> same
>> >> > look
>> >> > and feel is premature.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Om
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
>> >><carlosrovira@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Thanks Yishay for your words
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yishayjobs@hotmail.com>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
>>might
>> >> not
>> >> > be
>> >> > > > the best way to spend them at this point. However, there
are
>>some
>> >> > points
>> >> > > > that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make
me
>> >>think we
>> >> > > > should try to move our site to Royale.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks
in
>>that
>> >> > overhead
>> >> > > > can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of
a
>> >>classic
>> >> > > static
>> >> > > > site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
>> >>perform
>> >> > well
>> >> > > > enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve
in
>>that
>> >> > > regard.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The
more
>> >> visible
>> >> > > > our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site,
I’d
>> >>much
>> >> > > rather
>> >> > > > have them learn Royale than WP.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That's ok. I  only said that we are run out of resources and I
>>don't
>> >> see
>> >> > > many people available to make this effort.
>> >> > > In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
>>good
>> >>to
>> >> > > production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
>>should
>> >> put
>> >> > > online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
>> >> > > In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other things
>> >>more
>> >> > > needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
>>styling
>> >> > express,
>> >> > > and so on...
>> >> > > But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
>>our
>> >> other
>> >> > > html plain code, that's right.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good
tool
>> >>for
>> >> > > > classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
>>for
>> >>our
>> >> > own
>> >> > > > site.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale
just
>> >>for
>> >> the
>> >> > > > heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
>>couldn’t
>> >> > > > understand that from the thread so far.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
>>right.
>> >> Nobody
>> >> > > could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
>> >> > > As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
>>without
>> >> > having
>> >> > > to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since
is
>>the
>> >> > normal
>> >> > > use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks for your considerations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Carlos
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Thanks, and great work so far.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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