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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:58:39 -0800
From: Allen Gilliland <Allen.Gilliland@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: ACL for viewing individual posts?
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I don't think anyone here would be "diametrically opposed" to the idea, 
but after you start to work on the design a bit you may find that the 
reality of implementing this may be difficult to get everyone to swallow.

I think the idea is interesting and I would certainly be willing to 
listen to more about it.  I think one reason why this idea may not have 
caught on in Roller (and other blog software?) before is that to make 
use of it you really need to take the blog software and incorporate it 
into a larger software stack which handles how to manage the community 
you are talking about WRT "reader privileges".  Roller is focused just 
on the publishing aspect right now.

-- Allen


Zac Morris wrote:
>> Just to be absolutely clear, you are interested in setting the  
>> permissions per blog entry, not per blog?
> 
> Yes, but it would also be possible to set one of the groups as 
> "default" thus making all posts readable only by that "group".
> 
> 
> 
>> I don't know how people use this stuff or want to use it but to me it  
>> seems like if I was going to go to the trouble of setting up  
>> permissions for something I'd assign them to a blog so that would  
>> provide a convenient re-use point.
> 
> The difference is, like I said in my original post, the 
> difference between "blog as single topic publishing engine" vs. 
> "blog as multiple topic journal".
> 
> The first approach, which roller now seems to be geared 
> towards, is where a given blog is matched to a given audience, 
> and then posts to that specific blog match a given "topic" 
> readable for everyone reading the blog.  In this model, 
> entitlement is based on "poster" priviledges, and not reader 
> priviledges.
> 
> The second approach, which LiveJournal is geared towards, is 
> where a blog is a personal journal, and you basically set the 
> audience for each of your posts [because each post may not 
> match a specific "topic"] (i.e. when I post a journal entry that 
> contains personal information that I only want a group of 
> friends to see).
> 
> I have no problem doing the work, but like I said I see this as 
> a possible philosophical issue, as it is a paradigm shift of 
> how roller could be used, so wanted to know if anyone is 
> diametrically opposed.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> I had an idea about "hierarchical blog names" sort of like group/ 
>> subgroup/.../blogname. 
> 
> Yeah, it has been my experience that only technically minded 
> people seem to embrace hiarachical presentation.  Let take the 
> Windows OS as an example.  Since Windows grew out of DOS, the 
> hiarachical filesystem is pretty much at the heart of Windows; 
> but if you ask the majority of non-technical users to bring up 
> "File Manager" they don't have a clue what you're talking 
> about.  This is why MS is already looking towards a dB/meta-data 
> based OS that won't be hiarachical in nature.  Personally I 
> think that sucks, but I've worked with enough of these 
> non-technical users to understand that they just don't "get" 
> hiarachical file systems.  
> 
> Let me say this all another way.  Typically blogs are mostly 
> matched to a given "topic".  Let's say a political blog.  An 
> individual, or a group of contributors, posts a series of 
> entries that match that given topic that is readable by the 
> entire "audience".
> 
> What I'm talking about is a blog where the contributor IS the 
> topic.  Since this kind of blog isn't quite so "clear cut" as 
> say a political blog, each "post" might need a different 
> audience.  So instead of having to setup multiple indivdiual 
> "blogs" for different "topics", what I'm talking about is a 
> journal type approach where I post to a single blog, but then I 
> can choose the given audience that post is visible to.  Go take 
> a look at LiveJournal for exactly what I'm talking about.
> 
> THANKS!
> -Zac
> 
> 
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