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Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:09:18 +1000 (AEST)
From: Peter <jini@zeus.net.au>
Subject: Re: Attic? Was: Re: Lotj - languages other than java
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A long term support version of River 2.2.x should be sufficient to keep tho=
se who desire minimal change satisfied, without them feeling threatened by =
a more progressive pace of development. =C2=A0Git would make managing the s=
eparate branches easier.=0A=0ABugs that were reported and fixed in 2.2.x we=
re often already fixed in the trunk branch. =C2=A0Also there are tests in t=
he 2.2.x branch that fail, because they're unmaintained, these tests haven'=
t passed on recent jvm's.=0A=0ADetermining bug fixes that go into the lts s=
upport branch is somewhat difficult, clearly race condition fixes wouldn't =
be included, nor would security fixes, I'd suggest only the occassional maj=
or bug reported by users of the lts version. The 2.2.x branch code is writt=
en to the old java memory model, prior to JSR133 released with Java 1.5.=0A=
=0AIf we based the River 2.2.x lts support on the availability of support f=
or suitable jvm's and Oracle's end of public updates, the lts River version=
 2.2.x branch would probably end late 2017 or early 2018. =C2=A0The US is predicted to have =C2=A070% IPv6 deployment by that time.=0A=0ASupport f=
or loading the policy provider into the extension ClassLoader will be remov=
ed in Java 9, this will reintroduce a policy deadlock bug =C2=A0for 2.2.x t=
hat were fixed by loading policy providers into the extension ClassLoader. =
=C2=A0These bugs won't affect River 3.0.=0A=0ABack porting the policy provi=
der from River 3.0 is not an option, as this is almost non blocking (very g=
ood for avoiding deadlock) and would cause many latent race condition bugs =
to emerge.=0A=0AIf River 3.0.0 is released soon, that allows two years for =
migration, remembering that River 3.0.0 is largely a JMM compliance bug fix=
 release, with a com.sun.jini to org.apache.river namespace change.=0A=0AAf=
ter River 3, I'd like to see focus on IPv6, security (fixes, updates and si=
mplification), IoT and a protocol based lookup service that supports other =
languages.=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0APeter.=0A=0ASent from my Samsung device.=0A=
=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0Include original message=0A---- Original message ----=
=0AFrom: Bryan Thompson <bryan@blazegraph.com>=0ASent: 06/07/2016 11:22:49 pm=0ATo: dev@river.apache.org <dev@=
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