Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-river-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 61059 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2011 08:01:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Feb 2011 08:01:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 66304 invoked by uid 500); 11 Feb 2011 08:01:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-river-dev-archive@river.apache.org Received: (qmail 65870 invoked by uid 500); 11 Feb 2011 08:01:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@river.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@river.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@river.apache.org Received: (qmail 65451 invoked by uid 99); 11 Feb 2011 08:01:15 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:01:15 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of la.tinca@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.171 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.161.171] (HELO mail-gx0-f171.google.com) (209.85.161.171) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:01:07 +0000 Received: by gxk8 with SMTP id 8so1117313gxk.2 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:00:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=KAaVTqV+S1E2t6DV9ONfdouzbAr62kMGpEiBylA3bXE=; b=Nyx9oPUvpODVIYux+42DAkfxc62AddTuIDg4hEvtzapXFCvXopcMub4zSSZ3mS1DN6 GaPrrERr9tTvtrCQwOBwa5Qt/ZNg2wI6EaS2NCVKEgEHbqaruES8tg8aRvSHMpwch+PI Bzk6W2+SXoYKHFiO4lC1vxsAKy1oHf108uqtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=wpHci9so2ha6UkijMXGW1tr3mirphKNRq+c0CMtQg7/NvzwIwj6inwj7XYgRtMtzbH zyvz3ZEF4pGJIhImUnwoM+g8carsE33O553vb2FklF/w56QYphrfVyoQw4rQs/U7dxtM U24Lt9RktPQoFDzvHZBEUPl8QM8IAJbLsJdcI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.36.3 with SMTP id j3mr193067agj.174.1297411246672; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.19.11 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:00:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:00:46 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bug nominations From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Zsolt_K=FAti?= To: dev@river.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee4fa7c4c63049bfd18df X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --0016364ee4fa7c4c63049bfd18df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:46:50 +0000 -n Dan Creswell =EDrta: > Uhm, one more follow-up and I'll shut-up.... No please, do not stop :-) I like these discussions, see below. > Note this isn't about technical superiority, it's about mindset and > education. Google GFS isn't particularly clever or technically ... > strategy). Thus I contend that it's not about whether or not > developers are capable it's that they think differently. There's This is (one of) my problem(s) and expect as a hindrance for others in similar situation. The mindset alone is not always enough. I feel lucky to finally have an opportunity for doing real work with River. With no practical experience with Jini (just read a lot), working alone with no one knowledgable in the field I am at the mercy of my own capabilities. The web, mailing lists are of great help, but the pieces of information of making a _real_ system based on River scarce or non-existent. I am uncertain what and how I do is the appropriate way of doing things. It is hard to convince a boss to spend money on consultancy, mentorship (which I see as the shortest path to get that knowledge) if the thing is not something "serious" mainstream, but a thing they never even heard of. Without it the only way is going through the usual hurdles of self-education which is not bad, but it is full of bitter experiences and takes times mostly not torelable by a real project, or managers even if they trust in you. Imagine when they are not even too supporting... Zsolt --0016364ee4fa7c4c63049bfd18df--