Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 86030 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2010 13:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 20 Dec 2010 13:49:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 36815 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2010 13:49:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 36681 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2010 13:49:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 36673 invoked by uid 99); 20 Dec 2010 13:49:40 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:49:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dan.creswell@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.47] (HELO mail-qw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.216.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:49:35 +0000 Received: by qwg5 with SMTP id 5so2689860qwg.6 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:49:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=K/SnDLyH45nipMPD61tY6zBl/FwnwHiSqRIeQ3l7+rA=; b=TIMTqWWTi4lMh6SIztvEzd49BzS83G/C7oshLs7nGP/hMXHQZtq4ai3Hh4AC54KGYA KJg3cW5igQ2TvKBhf5X0HMxhERKuefXE3XQ8uec1tvfzDgsM5zgaONlu1Prm7GtNiUEv TOPLxzWG91TQjxAA4KPu2slQgSD/wUEFWV570= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=D6UADaEwDpDKTE0G+a6Kn8z0T+wHvtg0RnRgNWnVozf8UaK4/GwHJoivvovliZ7YcI gF4LMrqIQD/PRIN8RDcdWzalmzTUYX5o96HAH8fwa3kn/69gyVtu2pEAIaUAX9SodO4E XLL/LbibZwK1CfRVLXBWiPzx7ZAxzP7wiy65g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.229.200 with SMTP id jj8mr3908511qcb.74.1292852954861; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:49:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.87.157 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:49:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D0F5BCB.40805@qcg.nl> References: <1292659919.3679.22.camel@Nokia-N900-51-1> <4D0DB6BD.4040907@zeus.net.au> <991195.53568.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1292831408.5966.4.camel@Nokia-N900-51-1> <4D0F5BCB.40805@qcg.nl> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Space/outrigger suggestions From: Dan Creswell To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f6cfb41f12ab0497d7c9b9 --001485f6cfb41f12ab0497d7c9b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I can understand your confusion! I don't feel like we have opposing views. Rather we have a few proposals for differing levels of use of generics and a bunch of concerns around each proposal relating to: (1) How beneficial they are versus cost of implementation. (2) All the dark corners we create as the result of unclear specs or effectiveness of generics at runtime or user expectations. (3) Whether or not a meaningful set of common cases could be tackled. What one writes up from that I'm not sure. Maybe the various proposals and the comments in respect of each.... Cheers, Dan. On 20 December 2010 13:36, Sim IJskes - QCG wrote: > On 12/20/2010 08:50 AM, Peter wrote: > >> I hope we can now refocus and all work together reimplementing >> Outrigger based on what we can agree on, rather than be distracted by >> one thing we can't. >> > > I'm not sure to which issue we cannot agree on. I'm not even clear on which > are the opposing views. I would like to consolidate the current consensus in > a document for the website, even if it means that we have to document two > opposing views. Generics is not going away as a topic, so we better document > what we have right now. > > Anybody in support for this method? > > Gr. Sim > > > --001485f6cfb41f12ab0497d7c9b9--