Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 86978 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2010 19:41:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 3 Dec 2010 19:41:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 2530 invoked by uid 500); 3 Dec 2010 19:41:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2497 invoked by uid 500); 3 Dec 2010 19:41:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2489 invoked by uid 99); 3 Dec 2010 19:41:33 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:41:33 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of dennis.reedy@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.182] (HELO mail-qy0-f182.google.com) (209.85.216.182) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:41:27 +0000 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so6873872qyk.6 for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:mime-version :subject:from:in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id :references:to:x-mailer; bh=gEy8vGl9ZiikEWf/MBi56gYyRoDYBDt14yjxiEszJqw=; b=kuj8bHNVMFGBuOBFpO2GpTTOzOUSVliTRkQlgvh/E+L0KK3qNnMKRC2Swj9+3BIdOj DuQtfuJGeipTArCKLXDrcSlRHikItuKdm5zc2lDYUR4N9/Yf0GSLkvcECa547QdE/90x 8T8SW6zyBgVJtI4oaPTlyXdKJwQc7MvLaTLZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=Zi7CWjx7flDRyzQaGgPB+D+8g9dCTi48Lz6UF7Gs3ng8K6AacT9AZ6S5C3W2I/2fUz Bgfx4if1klBv7MxOK0k+nbPzzcT0n3IVfz/UySDj8JCLeOMaA/U+u557UZXjzXzEC6hO KgW1YcTJQy0itI+dtHFKcXbMk8kpuJl7Ufq7A= Received: by 10.224.11.144 with SMTP id t16mr1654308qat.99.1291405266659; Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-69-255-104-205.hsd1.va.comcast.net [69.255.104.205]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n7sm1446870qcu.16.2010.12.03.11.41.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Dec 2010 11:41:05 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: Progress, and a problem From: Dennis Reedy In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:41:04 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4CCD389D-65C6-4236-8683-656187DB7155@gmail.com> References: <4CF89BD3.3030103@acm.org> <4CF909A0.5070409@wonderly.org> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Outrigger is a key service in a project that I am involved in. I see no = reason to remove it from the distribution, it provides a solid = implementation of the JavaSpace and JavaSpace05 interfaces. There are = other services I would vote off the island ;) but thats a topic for a = different thread. Dennis On Dec 3, 2010, at 130PM, Tom Hobbs wrote: >> With River's recent revitalization let's not deprecate anything too >> hastily. >=20 > +1. You never know, this may yet convince someone who knows about > Outrigger to come back! >=20 > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Jeff Ramsdale = wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Gregg Wonderly = wrote: >>=20 >>> Many people are using Dan Creswell's Blitz JavaSpaces implementation = or >>> commercial versions. I'm partially inclined to suggest that we = should >>> discuss EOL of outrigger at some point. Even though Javaspaces is a = large >>> part of what Jini has been recognized for, it has a focused audience = and if >>> we don't have someone with knowledge and interest to support = outrigger, it >>> may be more of a wart than River can deal with. >>=20 >> With River's recent revitalization let's not deprecate anything too >> hastily. Conventional wisdom in Java app development has struggled to >> hold its own against NoSQL and other interesting technologies. It >> could be the perfect opportunity for Jini/JavaSpaces to gain new >> interest. >>=20 >> -jeff >>=20