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From Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>
Subject Re: Progress, and a problem
Date Fri, 03 Dec 2010 22:03:10 GMT
The first conclusion I've reached is that outrigger does have users, and 
so learning enough about it to fix a possible concurrency bug would be 
useful. I want to begin by making the current functionality work, even 
under unrealistic stress. I would also like to see if maintainability 
can be improved with adversely affecting performance.

I have one wish-list item of my own - an outrigger benchmark. As I make 
changes, I need some way to detect and guard against performance 
regression, and possibly find performance gains. As I've already said in 
this mailing list, I'm a non-believer in performance tuning without 

We can certainly start a discussion on JavaSpace enhancements. I don't 
promise to be able to implement them, but I'm willing to talk.


James Grahn wrote:
> My company also uses Outrigger semi-frequently.
> I didn't speak up when Patricia was asking about the implementation, 
> because I've not dug into the actual code that much.
> That said, most of my aspirations for River revolve around improving 
> Javaspaces.   (Unfortunately with a few compatibility breaks from the 
> existing version.)
> I'll try to pass along my wishlist soon, just so it's on the record even 
> if I don't get around to contributing any code.   If nothing else, it 
> should be useful for discussion.
> jamesG
> On 12/3/2010 2:41 PM, Dennis Reedy wrote:
>> Outrigger is a key service in a project that I am involved in. I see 
>> no reason to remove it from the distribution, it provides a solid 
>> implementation of the JavaSpace and JavaSpace05 interfaces. There are 
>> other services I would vote off the island ;) but thats a topic for a 
>> different thread.
>> Dennis
>> On Dec 3, 2010, at 130PM, Tom Hobbs wrote:
>>>> With River's recent revitalization let's not deprecate anything too
>>>> hastily.
>>> +1.  You never know, this may yet convince someone who knows about
>>> Outrigger to come back!
>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Jeff 
>>> Ramsdale<jeff.ramsdale@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Gregg Wonderly<gregg@wonderly.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Many people are using Dan Creswell's Blitz JavaSpaces 
>>>>> implementation or
>>>>> commercial versions.  I'm partially inclined to suggest that we should
>>>>> discuss EOL of outrigger at some point. Even though Javaspaces is a 
>>>>> large
>>>>> part of what Jini has been recognized for, it has a focused 
>>>>> audience and if
>>>>> we don't have someone with knowledge and interest to support 
>>>>> outrigger, it
>>>>> may be more of a wart than River can deal with.
>>>> With River's recent revitalization let's not deprecate anything too
>>>> hastily. Conventional wisdom in Java app development has struggled to
>>>> hold its own against NoSQL and other interesting technologies. It
>>>> could be the perfect opportunity for Jini/JavaSpaces to gain new
>>>> interest.
>>>> -jeff

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