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From Gregg Wonderly <ge...@cox.net>
Subject Re: OSGi RFC 119 Distributed OSGi - (Was [RE: OSGi and Jini])
Date Mon, 27 Jul 2009 20:02:46 GMT
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Gregg Wonderly<gregg@wonderly.org> wrote:
>> The issue which I think is never fully considered is that lookup is based on
>> the Java type system, including complex types, and not based on string
>> matching.  If it was just string matching, we'd have RE support now.  But
>> there is no defined RE syntax for "derived from" or "implements X" etc.  The
>> Java type system provides that.
> Yes, that is the view of "Jini Zealot" ;-) and their argument is that
> Jini Lookup can't do algorithms and arithmetic. And as long as either
> side don't want to look for the converged solution, this status quo
> will remain, just like when I first brought this up 2-3 years ago. And
> Kriens & Co at OSGi will have the same 'we are so much better'
> attitude as well...

As just another perspective point, I consider this the "everything useful must 
be part of the platform" confusion.  Everything useful needs to be possible with 
a platform in the space the platform is "used".  But everything that everyone 
finds useful just can't be part of the platform.

When I rant about programming languages reinventing the wheel and only syntax 
being used to do something different that can be expressed in other languages, I 
think of the same narrow minded view.  Anything that is not provided "natively" 
in a language or platform, either can't be done, or requires that you right some 
code to do it.  We are still at such low coding levels with such powerful 
languages, that "can't be done" just doesn't come out as the point of contention.

And as I said in my other long winded response, in this case, someone can write 
a service that provides such a lookup mechanism and encapsulate such logic 
there.  It would make most sense for such a service to use the ServiceRegistrar 
Entry data to perform the searches.

My changes to Reggie (http://reef.dev.java.net) for "delayed unmarshalling" 
would make it possible to then send the "unmarshalled" service data to the 
caller as the results so that the codebase would remain uncontaminated etc.

I will conceded that a multi-layer service lookup is not really possible without 
having access to the unmarshalled service data to be forwarded to the calling party.

Gregg Wonderly

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