Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 84840 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2009 15:56:40 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 27 Mar 2009 15:56:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 56032 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2009 15:56:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 55984 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2009 15:56:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 55974 invoked by uid 99); 27 Mar 2009 15:56:39 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:56:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [204.153.12.50] (HELO mail-mta.sunlabs.com) (204.153.12.50) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:56:31 +0000 Received: from mail.sunlabs.com ([152.70.2.186]) by mail-mta.sfvic.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTP id <0KH600IIZ9LMVP00@mail-mta.sfvic.sunlabs.com> for river-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.East.Sun.COM ([192.18.43.225]) by mail.sunlabs.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.02 (built Aug 25 2004)) with ESMTPSA id <0KH600FN79LLX540@mail.sunlabs.com> for river-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:56:09 -0400 From: Jim Waldo Subject: Re: Retrotranslator - Small Devices? In-reply-to: <204bcc150903270841s5d6b186k59602678184f3d02@mail.gmail.com> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Message-id: <5FEBC19E-8CE1-4C61-AD79-1752D834B052@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <49CC9930.2080104@zeus.net.au> <64efa1ba0903270420y3472dad3vdb8c3259eee2a383@mail.gmail.com> <70AC3CEB-93F8-4C40-8B6D-989EF2400B1B@gmail.com> <17ACE723-B40A-4073-96C3-FED4122249E5@sun.com> <759a1cdf0903270541q772833a7r42af658fba7e58ad@mail.gmail.com> <49CCDB99.3020108@zeus.net.au> <1238167400.4140.248.camel@cameron> <204bcc150903270841s5d6b186k59602678184f3d02@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I was not that active in the small device space back in the day, but I can say (I think reasonably authoritatively) that Jini was never intended for devices that didn't have class loading. Back when Jini was first being done, the thought was that J2ME would be able to download class files and dynamically load them; those plans never really materialized (for reasons both technical and business/ political), and so the Jini surrogate architecture was born... Jim On Mar 27, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Sean Landis wrote: > I was a big participant in the small-device movement for Jini back > in the > day. I agree with Greg. Jini cannot be all things. > Sean