Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 41713 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2008 16:41:58 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Dec 2008 16:41:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 56363 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2008 16:41:57 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56339 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2008 16:41:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56328 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2008 16:41:57 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:41:57 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of johnsarman@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.20 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.20] (HELO mail-ew0-f20.google.com) (209.85.219.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:41:50 +0000 Received: by ewy13 with SMTP id 13so2181268ewy.12 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Vc7LjjaJ6trLukA+ukaQk0SLrLVsH5Di4QrMNkD3+dM=; b=Lm24ax6dROGBtLA/eU2wni4g/Sg4/XqhBukGXaFzvS7BiwTWDi3bzXDAICfwY2vYJN P5fgyeBtCs5r8Ems1FkU3MtvZntUUT38ZBfnl/p6k/MQegSfsU+MRAtFCKR2OETk//SS g3yUqm77l1pY8360DNRXRzDTrWn3ke7BRC7Vw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=GqtjdMuiH1+3pwVyeOusalK1Q42bMrGqaUc2gPs2VAI4xj4c4X5TUcds4kEbU3m7UW YZFQAobkWfT7fkzxc/3F9HXtU8oZphI6FOSD2nlaLHCcOeL8DuPIYOic+ohCa5IEmW7g VmP3WxQrzJ6eeUmPwiBPtMi2YHnkph+WDdMu0= Received: by 10.210.54.17 with SMTP id c17mr7572287eba.74.1229964088828; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.210.73.10 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:41:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:41:28 -0500 From: "John Sarman" To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Split JavaSpaces and JINI In-Reply-To: <61880767-1207-4FC3-ABDE-60067D5CD472@topiatechnology.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82252_7538579.1229964088825" References: <964EAC824495234A86F3C47DA8BD8AAD17750A@sucden-exch.sucden.co.uk> <1FD0F33B-B582-4EF7-BF7E-47096455F83F@topiatechnology.com> <8FDADFAF-1075-458C-97B8-20C474CCB041@topiatechnology.com> <61880767-1207-4FC3-ABDE-60067D5CD472@topiatechnology.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_82252_7538579.1229964088825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The refactoring from net.jini to org.apache.river would definitely cause alot of existing code to be forced to be changed. That being said, I personally would not mind refactoring although this does not solve any problems, just creates more! John On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Michael McGrady < mmcgrady@topiatechnology.com> wrote: > No problem with them being bad. I agree. > > The suggestions was meant to be understood in relation to the suggestion > previously made. > > The problem is that there is no natural owner for the generic interfaces > other than Java itself, so far as I can tell. > > How about: > > apache.river.Lease > apache.river.Transaction > apache.river.Entry > apache.river.jini (service platform) > apache.river.javaspace.JavaSpace > > MG > > > On Dec 22, 2008, at 8:04 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Michael McGrady >> wrote: >> >> The changes you would have to make are not the point. Either the >>> suggestions are good or bad. >>> >> >> They are bad. >> >> How many times is this needed to be repeated; Entry, Lease and >> Transaction are not space-only concepts. I have already told you that >> "net.jini" is a heritage of a organization, a business unit if you >> like, so do a >> >> sed 's/net.jini/org.apache.river/' >> >> and you have a much truer representation of the architectural >> structure. Moving "lease" from neutral ground into "javaspaces" only >> decreases the decoupling (more coupling), not the other way around. >> How can you fail to acknowledge something that obvious? >> > > Lost my head focusing on another problem. Generally toss these out in a > non-waterfall fashion but this one was particularly bad, I agree. > > > >> >> >> Cheers >> Niclas >> > > Michael McGrady > Senior Engineer > Topia Technology, Inc. > 1.253.720.3365 > mmcgrady@topiatechnology.com > > > > > ------=_Part_82252_7538579.1229964088825--