Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 77532 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2008 15:28:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Dec 2008 15:28:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 40964 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2008 15:28:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 40944 invoked by uid 500); 20 Dec 2008 15:28:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 40933 invoked by uid 99); 20 Dec 2008 15:28:47 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:28:47 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: 209.147.126.92 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of mmcgrady@topiatechnology.com) Received: from [209.147.126.92] (HELO zimbra.topiatechnology.com) (209.147.126.92) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:28:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.topiatechnology.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB973521407 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:28:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from zimbra.topiatechnology.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.topiatechnology.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rQSeKQU8lpD0 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 104.sub-75-216-200.myvzw.com (104.sub-75-216-200.myvzw.com [75.216.200.104]) by zimbra.topiatechnology.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CB53520FE8 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:28:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Michael McGrady To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <494CD33D.7050707@dcrdev.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Subject: Re: Split JavaSpaces and JINI Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:28:03 -0800 References: <964EAC824495234A86F3C47DA8BD8AAD17750A@sucden-exch.sucden.co.uk> <493D40A9.7020808@wizards.de> <863EA217-8B6B-4881-867E-8A645A036276@topiatechnology.com> <493D77B0.5060803@wonderly.org> <493E9460.1030901@wonderly.org> <493FEAA1.7030708@cox.net> <9b694b200812110126t2e14f5cg5d4f46607674111d@mail.gmail.com> <4aa658780812110136v10bd3a77v306114a391c39c4d@mail.gmail.com> <97949386-53E7-48F1-8994-3867C55B3149@topiatechnology.com> <441650.28546.qm@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <840011.47336.qm@web33803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5740B14F-6FE7-4B21-8BDB-484E662863B0@topiatechnology.com> <330660.72882.qm@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <55C68DE5-90A8-4B59-A112-C02A4932CC75@topiatechnology.com> <494CD33D.7050707@dcrdev.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org See infra: On Dec 20, 2008, at 3:13 AM, Dan Creswell wrote: > Well that comes across nice and patronising.... I have the utmost respect for the work done on JINI or I would not be here. Obviously JINI was built by a talented bunch of people. However, obviously there is a problem with JINI. JINI has failed to achieve its promise. Also, the problem with JINI is not engineering. Obviously the people involved on the project are preeminent engineers. The problem is architecture. Bringing up this issue is not patronizing. If you don't like it, sorry. But the topic has to be broached. > > > I do think you should get off your high horse and consider changing > your > thinking and doing some reading of your own. Dan, this is not adult. > > > You're acting very superior like you know it all, care to list your > credentials to prove the point? I can state a point of view that relates to JINI and is different than you without being attacked like this, i hope. I have to say from an architectural point of view this is not "know it all" but fairly rudimentary. Anyway, at the risk of boring the list, here are a few of my "credentials". A blurb abut what I do is at http://www.topiatechnology.com/Page.aspx?nid=41 . My last resume ws about 30 pages long, so I will keep it short. My first work on computers began long, long before there was a computer science division in any university. I built a computer for my senior science project in 1960. My first engineering job after the United States Naval Academy was in 1964 at James Ford Bell Research Center (General Mills) in Golden Valley, MN, on a UNIVAC with Fortran working on national transportation issues. My present principal tasks involve (1) work as principal investigator on funded R&D for a product connecting the cross-domain, multi-level security, networks for the GIG (Global Information Grid of the United States DoD) and the NAS (FAA, SWIM, etc) as well as SESAR (European), etc. on an Air Force SBIR (AF081-028) through the Air Force labs in Rome, N.Y. and (2) work on INSCOM products. This year I presented papers you can buy through the IEEE at both the DASC and the INCNS conferences entitled, respectively, Integration and Management of Dynamic Systems (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/tocresult.jsp?isnumber=4702732&isYear=2008&count=135&page=1&ResultStart=25 ) and The Use of Mobile Object Technology in Net-Centric Systems (http://i-cns.org/agenda/2008/ ). Since the IEEE holds the copyright on these papers I cannot make them available to you. > > > Michael McGrady wrote: >> I do think that a nice read of "The Cathedral and the Bizarre" >> would be >> good for River enthusiasts right now. One thing that form first >> function second (building a framework, application, etc. without >> client >> input, pretty much all open source) must seek is constant feedback >> from >> clients, user groups. Lack of interest is a huge signal that >> something >> is wrong. This is especially so with a framework like JavaSpaces or >> JINI that is supposed to have very wide applicability. I stand by this and want to note that it is pretty basic stuff relating to open source. Mike Michael McGrady Senior Engineer Topia Technology, Inc. 1.253.720.3365 mmcgrady@topiatechnology.com