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From Dan Creswell <...@dcrdev.demon.co.uk>
Subject Re: Split JavaSpaces and JINI
Date Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:54:46 GMT
Michael McGrady wrote:
> +1  This is not, I would stress, to question or to otherwise lessen the
> value of JINI.  This is just to allow JavaSpaces to live its "natural
> life" and to move what is in JINI but belongs in JavaSpaces to
> JavaSpaces so that a Java implementation of Linda spaces can stand on
> its own.  Then, as Niclas has noted, JINI can use and extend JavaSpaces
> as required.
> 

Could you please explain your logic for placing some of these core (and
shared across services) classes into JavaSpaces.  I hear what you're
saying but at least for me right now it feels like you'd be making a
less cohesive system rather than a better split one.

> This seems to me to be a win/win and I believe this would provide
> significant wind to JavaSpaces and JINI sails.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2008, at 5:33 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Dan Creswell <dan@dcrdev.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Personally I think a more interesting question is:
>>>
>>> "What do you gain by not bothering with the Jini part?"
>>
>> Since you asked (take your pick);
>>
>> 1. An appealing programming model that is also suitable for
>> single-JVM applications, which could (IF need arise!!) be complemented
>> with a distributed version without change of the application sources.
>> People tend to like solutions that are easy to start with and that can
>> become powerful if/when that need arises. I think that the failure of
>> the Jini folks (then and now) to acknowledge this is one of the
>> biggest mistakes done. The same argument could be done for the entire
>> Jini platform.
>>
>> 2. With more light-weight implementations available, unit-testing of
>> applications built-in on top of Javaspaces becomes a breeze. If anyone
>> claims that unittesting with Jini is easy, please send me the abstract
>> testcase I can use, because I am literally stuck.
>>
>> 3. Since JINI already have nailed the "it's too complex" coffin shut
>> in the minds of the world's Java developers, I think it is important
>> that we not only say "Listen! It ain't that hard!", but actually
>> provide a brand new toolkit (not app!) where the average developer
>> after 10 minutes goes "Cheeze, this is so cool..." and clearly sees
>> that "Hey, I can use this with little or no impact now...", instead of
>> the "Do it the Jini way or no way at all.". Javaspaces provides,
>> IMVHO, an important stepping stone towards this goal. We can present
>> the Space programming model, showcase when/why it is useful, and inch
>> the full-blown Outrigger into the developers mind without him/her
>> actively taking the "Jini decision".
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Niclas
> 
> Michael McGrady
> Senior Engineer
> Topia Technology, Inc.
> 1.253.720.3365
> mmcgrady@topiatechnology.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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