Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 8525 invoked from network); 30 Aug 2007 22:29:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Aug 2007 22:29:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 61199 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2007 22:29:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61170 invoked by uid 500); 30 Aug 2007 22:29:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 61161 invoked by uid 99); 30 Aug 2007 22:29:06 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:29:06 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.98.31] (HELO brmea-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.98.31) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:28:59 +0000 Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l7UMSde9016120 for ; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:28:39 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JNL00L01XUNBD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Bob.Scheifler@Sun.COM) for river-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.148.70.124] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JNL00FQDYFPVXF9@mail-amer.sun.com> for river-dev@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:28:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:28:37 -0400 From: Bob Scheifler Subject: Re: development process In-reply-to: <2CAAB437-B1B9-408C-9370-C95B06B4EB5B@SUN.com> Sender: Bob.Scheifler@Sun.COM To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Reply-to: Bob.Scheifler@Sun.COM Message-id: <46D74495.1070802@Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <30993F0A-4C88-41FD-A3D0-8853484931E8@sun.com> <46D51410.3080609@cheiron.org> <46D5D130.80002@Sun.COM> <7557e99f0708291459k7517419mc37c52639e426a37@mail.gmail.com> <46D5F88D.5010006@Sun.COM> <7557e99f0708300038j7cb0b420q7c823c57d5a99fa3@mail.gmail.com> <46D70288.6000704@Sun.COM> <7557e99f0708301255l518d9798oe6fc88bc2c5e48fb@mail.gmail.com> <46D72E75.5040106@Sun.COM> <2CAAB437-B1B9-408C-9370-C95B06B4EB5B@SUN.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060731) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Craig L Russell wrote: > So are you serious when you say " there's no downside to always granting > karma to all codebases, because you clearly trust them not to abuse the > privilege"? I said I'd cease, so I'll try not to say much. It seemed a logical outcome of what I understood to be Gianugo's view about trust. It's not a view I share. > I'd really like it if you can try to understand Gianugo's comments, > because they reflect my view of Apache as well. I have been, apparently without complete success, since I wouldn't have said your statements really match his. > It's difficult for me to tell whether your comments are "I understand > the Apache way and disagree with it" or "I don't understand the Apache > way and am trying to understand". I'm trying to understand the Apache way, without a lot of success it seems. My perception so far is this: If you're looking for answers, don't trust the web site, as you'll likely find someone who will tell you that that part of it is wrong or a bad idea. And if you ask N people the question instead, you'll likely get back >N answers. Good luck storming the castle. I find this a major disincentive to participate. Probably just me. Now let's steer the discussion back on course. - Bob