Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 39633 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2007 10:06:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 5 Jan 2007 10:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 18695 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2007 10:06:34 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-river-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18650 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jan 2007 10:06:34 -0000 Mailing-List: contact river-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list river-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 18641 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jan 2007 10:06:34 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:06:34 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [194.217.242.92] (HELO anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net) (194.217.242.92) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:06:24 -0800 Received: from dcrdev.demon.co.uk ([80.177.118.55] helo=[192.168.0.10]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1H2lxa-0000MG-EM for river-dev@incubator.apache.org; Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:06:02 +0000 Message-ID: <459E230A.2000800@dcrdev.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 10:06:02 +0000 From: Dan Creswell User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Source drop and bug database References: <459CC53C.8030609@cheiron.org> <01E9800E-EDCC-4BDA-875D-3D17CA2C5863@SUN.com> <3A5910C3-8DFE-45D9-AC92-AA197173066D@pobox.com> <459D5A0B.9010106@cheiron.org> <459D7A6C.4040305@cheiron.org> <5E998A2D-7454-4357-BDFD-6FC042D1C353@pobox.com> <459D8C7A.3060105@cheiron.org> <459D8EB0.1030703@dcrdev.demon.co.uk> <459E21E8.5090007@cheiron.org> In-Reply-To: <459E21E8.5090007@cheiron.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Mark Brouwer wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Dan Creswell wrote: >> Mark Brouwer wrote: >>> Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: >>>> I think that it's something that doesn't need to be decided up front - >>>> it's something that can evolve as the community does. >>> While I understand it is quite easy to move things around in the >>> repository, it is always troubles for those working on the project. So a >>> little bit of thinking up front won't do any harm. >>> >> >> Agreed but do you not feel like we're still guessing for the most part? >> >> Especially as we haven't got much in the way of feedback from the >> community to give us a hint as to how they might want things done? > > Maybe I'm having a non-ASF compliant opinion here, for which no doubt I > will be keelhauled if so. But we have an initial committer list, that > means we have enough people willing to work here so we can move forward > in a way that *we* want, biased of course by each person own supporters > ;-). > :) > Anybody else can raise his voice and become involved and I think the > people here have shown in length to listen and discuss any issue brought > up, so I'm not afraid that we block participation. But I am of the > opinion we should stop trying and waiting to listen to the silent mass > (for each of us represents an unknown percentage of the silent Jini > community). > As it happens, so am I but I have to test whether other people feel the same ;) > People know the River project has started, based on the number of > subscribers I think a lot have confidence in this initial committer list > to make the right decisions till it gets rolling. If that turns out to > be a bad assumption they are punished for their lack of interest ;-) > and will likely raise their voice somewhere in the future. > Punished indeed! > But let me add my new disclaimer for this year: > > "None of my opinions are as strong in reality as my words might > indicate, it is just a lack of fine social capabilities.".