From users-return-1784-apmail-qpid-users-archive=qpid.apache.org@qpid.apache.org Wed Aug 19 18:13:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-qpid-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 23494 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2009 18:13:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Aug 2009 18:13:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 83224 invoked by uid 500); 19 Aug 2009 18:13:44 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-qpid-users-archive@qpid.apache.org Received: (qmail 83205 invoked by uid 500); 19 Aug 2009 18:13:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@qpid.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: users@qpid.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list users@qpid.apache.org Received: (qmail 83195 invoked by uid 99); 19 Aug 2009 18:13:44 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:44 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of robert.j.greig@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.209 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.209] (HELO mail-ew0-f209.google.com) (209.85.219.209) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:13:35 +0000 Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5so830883ewy.36 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hG4hinNNJn/4okIsJsF1aAIwILyvOKtZPHOLJzXv0Gw=; b=lCv7jxcPb2QH8h2qRpRiVgguLtD19FZbjS64MlmDte4reZ3qVWbBzCR0XikPcNJPJM AgBnGx23Y4S+pLaiAvdxGNpK/2unIXzIIbloO1mjmYD79m5mloqb4BjIP/a1BOOOHjv8 5AEbRAhfccFSh/N2QT2WNznuzoth70WB5r9Vo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l9ci7Q3ZYEqBW+MOOZP7THyuu+iN3O2IiRhr8DFUlhUSKoxeGSl33GD953Qqm1Elm5 W4UAtnttE1ZPmXBSeBb3XBVNA7sx0SBf/LQC8pGwLNHlZ94vNO5jFHTyKSLaTW0CmYey ko0Tmoc+LGvUAmXGtJ2W/8YBFRFFgl3EEswPw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.71.13 with SMTP id t13mr3670169eba.13.1250705591568; Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:13:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3005_1250699816_4A8C2A28_3005_5425453_1_375BF4705DE42C43937DF48DA7E5845CB5CEC8@WBE13.ancy.fr.sopra> References: <3005_1250684196_4A8BED24_3005_5405967_1_375BF4705DE42C43937DF48DA7E5845CB5CD4F@WBE13.ancy.fr.sopra> <4A8C0803.4090207@redhat.com> <3005_1250694868_4A8C16D4_3005_5420304_1_375BF4705DE42C43937DF48DA7E5845CB5CE70@WBE13.ancy.fr.sopra> <4A8C18B0.1070805@redhat.com> <3005_1250699816_4A8C2A28_3005_5425453_1_375BF4705DE42C43937DF48DA7E5845CB5CEC8@WBE13.ancy.fr.sopra> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <129a14790908191113k69905d74had0160d9c3f64337@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mixing up AMQP QPID and JMS From: Robert Greig To: users@qpid.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org 2009/8/19 Leglise Yann : > 2) If it is, are both implementations equivalent and compliant with AMQP the same way? I am asking because using JMS, when you create a Consumer on a queue that is not declared as an administered object, this queue is created in the broker. This isn't generally the case, it is dependent on the message broker you are using. Nearly all brokers will have permissions to limit which clients can create queues. > I believe this a a normal JMS behaviour, but I have read somewhere that in AMQP, queues must be explicitly declared, what I understood by "if queues are not explicitly declared, they cannot be used". This is likely referring to the underlying protocol. Higher level APIs such as JMS are designed to shield the developer from the low level details. Are you trying to write an application that requires queues be created dynamically at run-time by a client? Robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- Apache Qpid - AMQP Messaging Implementation Project: http://qpid.apache.org Use/Interact: mailto:users-subscribe@qpid.apache.org