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From BaTien Duong <batien.du...@dbgroups.com>
Subject Re: Service and Component Frameworks
Date Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:54:11 GMT
Martin Cooper wrote:

>"Jun Yang" <junyang@cisco.com> wrote in message
>news:3FC6A088.5090200@cisco.com...
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>>In the Jetspeed Cornerstone Concepts paper, we have a number of
>>Comparison to Other Work boxes for the purpose of comparing it with
>>other (unamed) frameworks and pointing out the unique features of
>>Cornerstone.  We attempted at a comprehensive comparison with Hivemind,
>>Spring and Pico Container and found it too difficult because it requires
>>much more than superficial knowledge of those frameworks.  It will be a
>>great thing if experts of those frameworks can contribute their views.
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>I don't mean to be provocative here, but if Cornerstone is sufficiently
>general to warrant comparison with such frameworks as HiveMind, Spring and
>PicoContainer (which does appear to be the case, from the concepts paper and
>presentation), then why would you want to bury / hide it inside of Jetspeed?
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>Now that Cornerstone is part of the Jetspeed CVS repo, what is the thinking
>on its development going forward? I'm curious about whether it will be
>integrated into Jetspeed to the point where it would not be useful as a
>standalone component, or if the goal is to keep it (semi-)independent. While
>I understand that mass customisation is clearly a factor in portal-land,
>that's not the only space to which it applies, and I can see a use for such
>a framework in non-portal applications as well.
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>In general, I guess I'd just like to better understand the relationship
>between Jetspeed and Cornerstone. (I'm not currently a Jetspeed user, but
>lurk on this list because of my interest in Pluto and its relationship with
>Jetspeed 2 - and now, possibly, Cornerstone. ;)
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Yes, you are right on the target. I am sure that Jun would think of the 
same way that J2-Cornerstone can better serve developer community by 
decoupling it in some form similar to Commons-chain and Struts-chain.

BaTien
DBGROUPS

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>Martin Cooper
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>>Thanks!
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>>Jun
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>>BaTien Duong wrote:
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>>>This is exciting. A technical comparision with other opensource
>>>frameworks such as Hivemind and Pico container by the author(s) of
>>>Jetspeed Cornerstone may be helpfull. Will the author(s) care to give
>>>a subjective rating on the maturity of different frameworks?
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>>>I will find some time to look at the source codes.
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>>>BaTien
>>>DBGROUPS
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>>>Jun Yang wrote:
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>>>>Here are links to the Cornerstone docs.  Warning: they may not be
>>>>light reading material and nevertheless are food for thought.
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>>>>Jetspeed Cornerstone Concepts
>>>>http://www.bluesunrise.com/jetspeed-docs/cornerstone-concepts.pdf
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>>>>Jetspeed Cornerstone Presentation
>>>>http://www.bluesunrise.com/jetspeed-docs/CornerstoneFramework2.pdf
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>(PDF)
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>>>>http://www.bluesunrise.com/jetspeed-docs/CornerstoneFramework2.ppt
>>>>(PowerPoint)
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>>>>Any comments and questions are welcome.  Another document "Jetspeed
>>>>Cornerstone Sample Code" will follow soon with runnable demo package.
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>>>>Jun
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>>>>David Sean Taylor wrote:
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>>>>>Im starting a little informal thread discussing Service and
>>>>>Component Frameworks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Currently we are using Fulcrum in Jetspeed-2.
>>>>>While I do like Fulcrum and it has been very useful for us, there
>>>>>are now more advanced service frameworks available.
>>>>>All services in J2 are implemented as Common Portlet Services. The
>>>>>goal of CPS was to act as a layer so that we could more easily swap
>>>>>out Fulcrum in the future. I think that time has come and we need to
>>>>>start reviewing the other frameworks and make a decision.
>>>>>
>>>>>The frameworks we have considering are:
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Hivemind
>>>>>2. Pico Container
>>>>>3. Jetspeed Cornerstone (not to be confused with Avalon Cornerstone)
>>>>>4. Avalon
>>>>>
>>>>>I really like what I've seen in Hivemind, however the current
>>>>>licensing issues concern me.
>>>>>I also think that Cornerstone, contributed by the Cisco team to
>>>>>Jetspeed, is very powerful.
>>>>>Are there other service frameworks we should be considering?
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