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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: Community building...
Date Thu, 05 Jul 2018 00:25:39 GMT
It means http://attic.apache.org/

It will be 'frozen' and indication that there is no longer a community
around to fix anything, but the last state of it is for anyone to use if
they want to.

I understand your point about "fundamentally different than the language"
part, and that was some of the expert's questions back at the start, "This
should be done in a new language", and we rebutted that the effort needed
would be magnitudes larger, to to mention the tooling and ecosystem needed
around it.


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:57 AM, Stanislav Muhametsin <
stanislav.muhametsin@kapsi.fi> wrote:

> Hi Niclas,
> It's sad to hear these news. I agree with you on on the "falling back to
> the grind of doing a lot of monotonous work manually" point. I recently
> started work on Java-related project, where coincidentally Hadoop and
> microservices are at the core of the system, and the grind you mentioned is
> very visible there. But even in non-Java-related stuff, the point seems to
> hold still - there hasn't been a "productivity leap", at least on a wide
> scale, into a model where programming is done 90% for the business logic,
> and 10% for plumbing/monotonous stuff.
> I guess there are many reasons for Polygene to fail to take off, one of
> the most big I think is the fact that Polygene tries to build something
> that is fundamentally different than the language it is written with. Since
> there is no proper native language support, doing things the "Polygene" way
> always incurs some mental overhead - something that many developers are not
> ready to take on.
> What does the "Attic" here mean? Will Polygene disappear from the
> Web/Apache, or will it be put into some frozen state somewhere?
> On 03/07/2018 02:38, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> Gang,
>> One thing that we didn't manage to do as an Apache project was to build a
>> community. On one hand Polygene is too different from "conventional
>> programming" for people to get their head around it, and on the other hand
>> Polygene is not fashionable in a world where everything is moving towards
>> polyglotism, slow networked (micro)services and Hadoop jobs which has
>> restrictive execution environments. People in general are falling back to
>> "the grind" of doing a lot of monotonous work manually.
>> Paul has more important priorities in life right now. Jiri and I are
>> simply
>> too busy with other things. And I think it is time to consider Polygene to
>> be put into Attic.
>> Cheers

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://polygene.apache.org - New Energy for Java

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