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From Stanislav Muhametsin <stanislav.muhamet...@kapsi.fi>
Subject Re: Community building...
Date Wed, 04 Jul 2018 20:57:44 GMT
Hi Niclas,

It's sad to hear these news. I agree with you on on the "falling back to 
the grind of doing a lot of monotonous work manually" point. I recently 
started work on Java-related project, where coincidentally Hadoop and 
microservices are at the core of the system, and the grind you mentioned 
is very visible there. But even in non-Java-related stuff, the point 
seems to hold still - there hasn't been a "productivity leap", at least 
on a wide scale, into a model where programming is done 90% for the 
business logic, and 10% for plumbing/monotonous stuff.

I guess there are many reasons for Polygene to fail to take off, one of 
the most big I think is the fact that Polygene tries to build something 
that is fundamentally different than the language it is written with. 
Since there is no proper native language support, doing things the 
"Polygene" way always incurs some mental overhead - something that many 
developers are not ready to take on.

What does the "Attic" here mean? Will Polygene disappear from the 
Web/Apache, or will it be put into some frozen state somewhere?

On 03/07/2018 02:38, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Gang,
> One thing that we didn't manage to do as an Apache project was to build a
> community. On one hand Polygene is too different from "conventional
> programming" for people to get their head around it, and on the other hand
> Polygene is not fashionable in a world where everything is moving towards
> polyglotism, slow networked (micro)services and Hadoop jobs which has
> restrictive execution environments. People in general are falling back to
> "the grind" of doing a lot of monotonous work manually.
> Paul has more important priorities in life right now. Jiri and I are simply
> too busy with other things. And I think it is time to consider Polygene to
> be put into Attic.
> Cheers

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