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From Niclas Hedhman <hedh...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Polygene - Future Directions
Date Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:54:11 GMT
If I understand your intention (Christmas Wish) correctly, you want to
marry our pink unicorn with the green monster, or?

I am not a Spring addict, and don't want to see a hard dependency on it.
Work to strengthen the spring integration is most welcome, but I think need
to be handled by someone with more Spring fu than I have.

Otherwise I think I agree with you. And I think the best way to lower
barrier are;

1. More Yeoman temllating.
2. Generation of a Angular front end from a Polygene model, and wiring in
3. Custom classes for Property, Association, ++

The last one may seem odd. But, I have now gotten push back a couple of
times that our classes are central in data model classes. But people don't
have a problem with in-house interfaces of the same. And it is probably
something that could be supported, that people are allowed additional
interfaces to be used. Have not thought that through completely yet, but
interesting in its own right.


On Dec 18, 2016 05:23, "Jiri Jetmar" <juergen.jetmar@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Gang,
> now after the renaming activity is over (that is surely still ongoing, but
> at least we have a final name and a path), I think it is time
> to brainstorm about some future directions of Apache Polygene.
> From my perspective Polygene is a DCI and COP oriented programming approach
> for Java (but not only). COP and DCI
> takes lessons from the last 30-40 years of programming within the
> information industry. It is about solving business
> problems using a pattern that deals with the given complexity in the
> software itself, but it also considers how humans
> are solving problems in general, aka the mental model, roles,
> functions/actions, etc.
> Now, Apache Polygene has a relatively thin core, a number of extensions as
> well as a number of libraries. That extensions
> and libraries are dedicated to some infrastructural or technical related
> problems, e.g. how to connect to a repository X, ..
> We are now living in very interesting times, where lot of pretty cool
> things happens. E.g. all the "Cloud" related things that allows nearly
> endless scalability. Or the docker/rocket thing, that brings the
> infrastructure on the level of code. Indeed very interesting.
> But, at the end - why do we code ? Its about solving some problems, its not
> about to deal with infrastructural, technical
> or other things. Indeed, this things has to be solved as well, but this are
> a kind of "sub-problems", we code to solve some (business-) problems.
> Therefore I;m asking my self since a couple of months, where we should go
> with Polygene.
> Looking on the Java land, I see there Frameworks like JEE (somebody is
> still using it??) or the green monster - aka Spring.. :-)
> Pls do not understand me wrong, I somehow like Spring. It becomes with
> years pretty huge and now you need a Framework for
> the Framework to make it maintainable (Spring Boot). At the end Spring is a
> DI thing, so something technical. The respectable
> Spring Ecosystem is huge, it offers lot of building blocks to solve
> technical and infrastructural problems..  and the company
> behind it, is well funded :-)
> Again, why do we code ? Well yes, to solve problems, not to deal with
> technical/infrastructural challenges as a primary goal.
> There is Christmas soon and if I would have some free wishes, I would like
> to have a Java Framework that solves purely (business) problems,
> that interacts smoothly with the technical solutions, implemented by the
> Spring guys. Spring is well funded, they are doing a good job in solving
> all sorts of infrastructural things, but Spring is NOT the right Framework
> to solve business problems. Disclaimer - it is my own opinion, feel
> free to argue in a different way. For me Spring is a abstraction of an
> abstraction and at the end a POJO thing and with some DI. As we learned,
> POJOs are not enough to solve problems we are facing in the real world.
> So imagine Apache Polygene will be the *missing* business stack that Java
> is still lacking and is capable to interact with Spring to include
> all sorts of already available Spring building blocks - that would be
> really great and definitely a unique thing.
> Cheers,
> Jiri

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