poi-dev mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Yegor Kozlov <yegor.koz...@dinom.ru>
Subject Re: Please remove my file from your svn
Date Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:27:10 GMT
removed in r1551845


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Yegor Kozlov <yegor.kozlov@dinom.ru> wrote:

> Do we have a consensus to delete this file from svn ?
>
> If there are no any other opinions I will do so within 24 hours.
>
> Yegor
> (with POI PMC chair hat on)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I am on both the Apache POI and the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Action will be
>> taken.
>>
>> As a producer of PPT and PPTX files along with other Office documents we
>> have always done our best to try to consume documents created by any
>> producer including OpenOffice.org. I wonder if a PPT produced by the
>> current Apache OpenOffice 4 would show this same solved bug.
>>
>> No doubt a POI developer will remove this test case very soon and it will
>> no longer be in our svn and will not be in our next release. True mirrors
>> will catch up.
>>
>> (Have you looked at Apache Solr, Mahout, or Hadoop? You quote a paper
>> from Doug Cutting an inventor of Hadoop, which was named after his child's
>> top elephant.)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Nirk Niggler wrote:
>>
>> > Chris:
>> >
>> > If you read my reply, you would see that I actually agree with you.  If
>> > Raiko cannot certify that the file can be distributed under the same
>> > license terms as Apache POI, the file should be removed.
>> >
>> > I asked for clarification because IP issues in academia are rarely
>> > clear-cut. For example, if you received a scholarship of any sort (or
>> were
>> > part of a funded graduate program), exception 5.1.3 would actually apply
>> > unless you obtained a written statement as described in section 5.4 (and
>> > this would be an exercise in futility)
>> >
>> > That being said, if you are serious about going down this route, I would
>> > also suggest suggest going after others who are hosting the file, such
>> as
>> > docstoc
>> >
>> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/24138033/Tagging-with-Hidden-Markov-Models(shared
>> > by rbb85147
>> > http://www.docstoc.com/profile/rbb85147) and going after others that
>> have
>> > publicly available mirrors of POI.  A quick search on github reveals a
>> few
>> > mirrors, including:
>> >
>> > -
>> >
>> https://github.com/orione/POI/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt
>> > -
>> >
>> https://github.com/samchuang/zkpoi/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt
>> > -
>> >
>> https://github.com/tay204/VendorInterface/blob/master/poi-3.9/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Chris Demwell <cdemwell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Nirk,
>> >>
>> >> I would like to reiterate that this file is probably of negative value
>> to
>> >> you: I have mentioned this is *not a Microsoft Office file* and
>> therefore
>> >> seems unlikely to be a good test case for your project.
>> >>
>> >> I am disappointed that I have to go into this: regardless of any terms
>> of
>> >> ownership between SFU and myself, the ASF and the POI project are not
>> party
>> >> to those terms. In any case, as it happens I'm aware of the terms from
>> SFU
>> >> and sought such clarification immediately upon enrolment. This content
>> was
>> >> a talk I gave as part of a special topics discussion course and not as
>> >> "homework". The terms can be seen at
>> >> http://www.sfu.ca/policies/gazette/research/r30-03.html -
>> specifically,
>> >> section 5.1 applies:
>> >>
>> >> "5.1 Although the University has the right to require assignment of an
>> >> interest in IP created by a University Member through the use of its
>> >> resources, the full ownership of IP and all rights pertaining to
>> ownership
>> >> are vested in the Creator, unless the Creator has entered into an
>> agreement
>> >> with the University to the contrary."
>> >>
>> >> There are several exceptions listed, none of which apply to this file.
>> This
>> >> is my IP, and more importantly it is not yours, nor Raiko's, nor do you
>> >> have license from SFU. Other than that I think we agree about the legal
>> >> situation. The waters are not muddy, you do not have license to this
>> file.
>> >>
>> >> Please remove it from your svn history or inform me that you don't
>> intend
>> >> to do so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Nirk Niggler <nirk.niggler@gmail.com
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Chris:
>> >>>
>> >>> A cursory google search reveals that this was part of a class project
>> and
>> >>> is publicly available at
>> >>> http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/courses/CMPT-882-Fall-2002/chris.ppt,
>> which
>> >>> somewhat muddies the waters (you'd have to get clarification from your
>> >>> school regarding the IP rights associated with class homework and
>> >> projects).
>> >>>
>> >>> Eric:
>> >>>
>> >>> While there is no obvious confidential information in the document,
>> the
>> >>> original contributor Raiko Eckstein violated the terms of the
>> bugzilla <
>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi>
>> >>>
>> >>>> "Certify that any object code, source code, patch, documentation,
>> etc.
>> >>> that you may supply to an Apache project can be redistributed under
>> the
>> >>> same license terms and conditions as the project itself."
>> >>>
>> >>> That alone should be grounds for removal.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Eric Peters <Eric@peters.org>
wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I have nothing to do with the POI Apache project, other than being
a
>> >> user,
>> >>>> never contributed, nor have anything to associate other than being
on
>> >> this
>> >>>> mailing list - but I'd say chill the f*** out.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The relative harms for the debug test file is probably negligible,
>> and
>> >> in
>> >>>> the grand scheme of things, its probably not using your IP at all,
>> >> rather
>> >>>> the factual bytes that were generated by OpenOffice, or usable under
>> US
>> >>>> Fair Use, as long as the  (which is the same/similar file type to
MS
>> >>>> Powerpoint, which is sort of the point of the example file)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Your copyright standpoint on the file, its feasible to recreate
the
>> PPT
>> >> to
>> >>>> re-illustrate the failed code, that might have some similarities
to
>> your
>> >>>> original file but not be a byte-by-byte representation of the code,
>> and
>> >> it
>> >>>> wouldn't pass a copyright muster (assuming you even filed for
>> copyright
>> >>>> protections)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Take a deep breath, and find something productive to do.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Eric
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Chris Demwell <cdemwell@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In 2007, someone uploaded my IP to your bug tracker in
>> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41357 - that
>> >> person
>> >>>> did
>> >>>>> not have license to use my IP, and therefore you also do not.
You
>> >>>> continue
>> >>>>> to host that file in your svn:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/poi/trunk/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt-
>> >>>>> please remove it from your svn history.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I would also point out that someone sending you a file to help
you
>> >>>> solve a
>> >>>>> bug does not automatically or implicitly grant the legal right
to
>> use
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> file for any other purpose, store, and certainly not republish
the
>> >> file.
>> >>>>> You are likely illegally republishing other files as part of
the
>> test
>> >>>>> directory in your svn and I humbly suggest that your only course
of
>> >>>> action
>> >>>>> is to remove those files that you do not explicitly know that
you
>> are
>> >>>>> licensed to redistribute.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Much more collegially, that PPT was an export from OpenOffice.org
>> (ie,
>> >>>> not
>> >>>>> created by MS Powerpoint) and therefore may not be an appropriate
>> test
>> >>>> file
>> >>>>> for your project. I'm sorry if this has caused you any consternation
>> >> in
>> >>>>> designing or maintaining your project. Thanks for your contributions
>> >> to
>> >>>>> open source software - while I don't use POI I still have great
>> >> respect
>> >>>> for
>> >>>>> your work.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Chris Demwell
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@poi.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@poi.apache.org
>>
>>
>

Mime
  • Unnamed multipart/alternative (inline, None, 0 bytes)
View raw message