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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@apache.org>
Subject Re: new forrest live site
Date Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:56:58 GMT
Present method for installing POI:

Unzip POI distro
Copy Jar file(s) into your WEB-INF/lib or wherever you keep your jar files.

-Andy

On 7/17/03 5:49 PM, "Glen Stampoultzis" <gstamp@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> 
> Yes but also it's a "smell".  If things are so hard to install that you
> need to get someone else to do that hard work then perhaps they need to be
> simplified.
> 
> -- Glen
> 
> At 12:03 AM 18/07/2003, you wrote:
>> Personally I don't care for this.  It abstracts the user from the community
>> too much.
>> 
>> On 7/17/03 9:47 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <tetsuya@apache.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Beutifully Designed, High-Quality Products can be 'included in
>>> Out-of-the-Box 2.1' :D
>>> 
>>> cf. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20030715.1
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:18:52 -0400
>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver@apache.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Tetsuya,
>>>> 
>>>> After being here for awhile you get a certain cynicism about what that
>> crowd
>>>> promises versus delivers.  I'd rather have something we maintain that
>> WORKS
>>>> and we can fix than something they maintain that is always broken..
>>>> 
>>>> Avalon culture: its beautifully designed if you can figure it out...it
>>>> throws null pointers on launch.
>>>> 
>>>> Velocity culture: its ugly and dirty...it also works.
>>>> 
>>>> POI culture: beautiful design, great unit tests, good
>> documentation...we'll
>>>> optimize next release ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> -Andy
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/17/03 9:03 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <tetsuya@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I completely agree with the things when poi-build used Centipede.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For me (translator), it was a pain, too. PAIN PAIN PAIN!!
>>>>> I had to learn how to deal with Anakia (Velocity and Ant, XSLT), Maven
>>>>> and Centipede. Unbelievable!  ... Jakarta is missing *consistency*
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, imagine. All the avalon, xml. ws-projects are using forrest and
>>>>> forrest bot.  ... If we fail building the site and it is due to the
>>>>> bugs of forrest, all the xml, ws, incubator-sites also fail buiding the
>>>>> sites!! We do not have to investigate the root of the *evil* ! :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> Simple.... I love these kind of simpleness and smartness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:46:38 -0400
>>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
>>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> If he follows through which isn't a given.  You're taking this as
a
>> single
>>>>>> case.  I'm thinking the next time...and the time after than...and
3
>> weeks
>>>>>> after that ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Big pain.  Drives me nuts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/17/03 8:45 AM, "Tetsuya Kitahata" <tetsuya@apache.org>
wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sorry, Andy. I could not understand what drove you nuts.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think things will be very simple. Jeff offered us the patches
for it,
>>>>>>> and we can accept them. So, we can build the poi website as well
as
>>>>>>> all of the xml.apache.org sites and incubator, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For me, this seems very simple.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Tetsuya (tetsuya@apache.org)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:35:42 -0400
>>>>>>> (Subject: Re: new forrest live site)
>>>>>>> "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Man this drives me nuts.  That¹s why I didn't want to use
forrest.
>>>>>>>> Lessons
>>>>>>>> learned from Centipede: the more dependencies your build
has the more
>>>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>> it breaks.  $20 says they never really make it to 1.0.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You wonder why I constantly ask "do we need this dependency"
when
>> someone
>>>>>>>> tries it?  Because its a PAIN IN THE BUTT to manage
>> dependencies.  Every
>>>>>>>> dependency adds a brittle link.  I like POI to stay simple
and
>> layer the
>>>>>>>> dependencies on top of it rather than under it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Andy
>>> 
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>> 
>> --
>> Andrew C. Oliver
>> http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
>> Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI
>> 
>> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
>> For Java and Excel, Got POI?
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> Glen Stampoultzis
> gstamp@iinet.net.au
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~gstamp/glen/
> 

-- 
Andrew C. Oliver
http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp
Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI

http://jakarta.apache.org/poi
For Java and Excel, Got POI?


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