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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 16:33:39 -0500
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Subject: Re: Running Apache Pivot on the Raspberry Pi
From: Erik Innocent <einnocent@gmail.com>
To: user <user@pivot.apache.org>
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For development, I'm using a Macbook Pro w/ i7 and 8GB, so it works fine on
here.

I'm not too interested in other Linux minicomputers, for a few reasons. One
is that, where I live, it's hard to get anything other than mainstream
hardware, so if it doesn't work, then I've burned a two weeks and $200 (or
more) on shipping and customs. Another reason is that my clients need
mainstream stuff since they plan on making several units, and if I'm having
problems with something with huge community support like the RPi, what
chance do I have with an issue on some random thing from China? But maybe
the biggest reason I don't want to go with another Linux device is that in
6-12 months, this RPi issue will (hopefully) be gone when they start
packing Wayland with Raspian. Then maybe Pivot will look good on the RPi.
After all, the core issue isn't the hardware -- it's that the software (X,
not Pivot) doesn't take proper advantage of it. So I'd rather use a
placeholder, like an overpowered Windows device, and then try the RPi again
when it's ready.

Cheers, and thanks for your time and interest =)
--E


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sandro Martini <sandro.martini@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Erik,
>
> > Hey guys, I just tried my app with PNGs in place of SVGs and with a
> class 10
> > SD card in place of the class 4 card I had been using.
> > I also ran the app from a terminal from within the window manager, as
> suggested.
> great
>
> > The app is still unusably slow =( It did seem slightly faster to me,
> > but not nearly enough to satisfy my clients.
> I'm really sorry for this ...
>
> > So, I'll be dropping the RPi and going with a full-on Windows device.
> but the same with your Pivot app on a version of Windows running
> JavaSE (just for curiosity) ?
>
> Last, I have seen (but didn't tried) other micro devices like RPi but
> with more memory and processing power (and cost) running JavaSE ...
> would you consider other solutions like this ?
>
>
> > When either PivotFX or Wayland on the RPi happens,
> note that PivotFX is still just an idea (none is working on it), so a
> more real option (for now) could be Wayland ...
> > I'll try the app again and let you know what happens.
> ok, thanks again.
>
> Good luck for your app :-) .
>
> Bye
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">For development, I&#39;m using a Macbook Pro w/ i7 and 8GB=
, so it works fine on here.<div><br></div><div>I&#39;m not too interested i=
n other Linux minicomputers, for a few reasons. One is that, where I live, =
it&#39;s hard to get anything other than mainstream hardware, so if it does=
n&#39;t work, then I&#39;ve burned a two weeks and $200 (or more) on shippi=
ng and customs. Another reason is that my clients need mainstream stuff sin=
ce they plan on making several units, and if I&#39;m having problems with s=
omething with huge community support like the RPi, what chance do I have wi=
th an issue on some random thing from China? But maybe the biggest reason I=
 don&#39;t want to go with another Linux device is that in 6-12 months, thi=
s RPi issue will (hopefully) be gone when they start packing Wayland with R=
aspian. Then maybe Pivot will look good on the RPi. After all, the core iss=
ue isn&#39;t the hardware -- it&#39;s that the software (X, not Pivot) does=
n&#39;t take proper advantage of it. So I&#39;d rather use a placeholder, l=
ike an overpowered Windows device, and then try the RPi again when it&#39;s=
 ready.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers, and thanks for your time and interest =3D)</div=
><div>--E</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Sandro Martini <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sandro.martini@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">sandro.martini@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Erik,<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Hey guys, I just tried my app with PNGs in place of SVGs and with a cl=
ass 10<br>
&gt; SD card in place of the class 4 card I had been using.<br>
&gt; I also ran the app from a terminal from within the window manager, as =
suggested.<br>
</div>great<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; The app is still unusably slow =3D( It did seem slightly faster to me,=
<br>
&gt; but not nearly enough to satisfy my clients.<br>
</div>I&#39;m really sorry for this ...<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; So, I&#39;ll be dropping the RPi and going with a full-on Windows devi=
ce.<br>
</div>but the same with your Pivot app on a version of Windows running<br>
JavaSE (just for curiosity) ?<br>
<br>
Last, I have seen (but didn&#39;t tried) other micro devices like RPi but<b=
r>
with more memory and processing power (and cost) running JavaSE ...<br>
would you consider other solutions like this ?<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
&gt; When either PivotFX or Wayland on the RPi happens,<br>
</div>note that PivotFX is still just an idea (none is working on it), so a=
<br>
more real option (for now) could be Wayland ...<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; I&#39;ll try the app again and let you know what hap=
pens.<br>
</div>ok, thanks again.<br>
<br>
Good luck for your app :-) .<br>
<br>
Bye<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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