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From java programmer <java.programme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Newbie Apache Pivot Evaluation
Date Mon, 17 May 2010 07:23:36 GMT
Hello,

Sorry Clint.

Actually, my company is looking into some really flashy UI like provided by
Flex.
When is pivot version 1.5 expected to be released?

Best Regards,
Prithvi

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Clint Gilbert <
clint_gilbert@hms.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Indeed.  WTKX is not not my cup of tea, but plenty of people use it and
> like it.  I appreciate that you can use Java, XML, or a mixture with Pivot.
>
> Greg Brown wrote:
> > While Clint makes some great points about code completion and
> refactoring, I would still encourage you to take a look at WTKX. It can
> really help simplify the task of constructing a complex GUI.
> > G
> >
> > On May 16, 2010, at 1:53 PM, java programmer wrote:
> >
> > Hello Greg,
> >
> > Thank you very much. I think so i will be using the complete Java source
> code rather then
> > using WTKX files as you suggested. I will design the application on paper
> and then start
> > coding, will surely be needing your help time to time.
> >
> > Many Thanks
> > Prithvi
> >
> > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Clint Gilbert <
> clint_gilbert@hms.harvard.edu<mailto:clint_gilbert@hms.harvard.edu>>
> wrote:
> > From the perspective of someone who is fairly new to Pivot and writing a
> > decent-sized standalone app with it, I can say that Pivot's API is about
> > 10,000 times cleaner than the other choices available for Java.  Pivot
> > is quite pleasant to use.
> >
> > A GUI builder would be nice, but the Pivot API and tutorials are good
> > enough that I haven't felt like I really needed one.  I tried out SWT
> > and Swing on the same project.  They were both much more verbose and
> > required so many fiddly settings that a GUI builder was a necessity;
> > with Pivot it's a nice-to-have at best.
> >
> > I don't use WTKX as I have a general bias against coding apps in XML -
> > there are too many magic strings to line up without typos, and an IDE
> > can't help you refactor - so all my experience is with coding UIs in
> Java.
> >
> > If you need to give a standalone Java app a nice UI with little fuss, I
> > recommend Pivot wholeheartedly.  The fact that an app can be deployed as
> > an applet with no code changes is a nice bonus.
> >
> > java programmer wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >
> >> 2- I am seeing that, Pivot is made using eclipse. Mostly what i am
> noticing for every component i need to write the code by hand. There is no
> >> drag and support for components like Swing. Even to the extend i can't
> use some xml editor to find out what properties a particular element is
> >> having. Is there a solution to this problem? Any DTD available?
> >>
> >> 3- One thing which might be needed in Pivot might be the validation
> support. Is pivot providing some validation framework like struts do? If
> not,
> >> can we use some apache validations API inside the pivot application to
> perform the validations?
> >>
> >> 4- Is it able to integrate with Spring and Hibernate?
> >>
> >> 5- Do every-time if we have to use it inside the web-application, we
> have to expose it as an applet?
> >>
> >> 6- What is the learning curve for Apache Pivot? How many days it will
> require to fully understand the WTKX and start coding in it efficiently?
> >>
> >> I am looking forward to know this information.
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Prithvi Sehgal
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

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