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From: Joe Witt <joe.witt@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 16:38:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: Draft Podling Report
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+1

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:34 PM, Ellison Anne Williams
<eawilliamspirk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, unfortunately, the original contributors seem to have too much on
> their plate to meaningfully contribute to Pirk right now. (of course, I a=
m
> squarely in that space) If/when that changes, we can always revisit Pirk
> and perhaps pull it out of retirement.
>
> I will go ahead and submit the report as it is due today.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Suneel Marthi <smarthi@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I concur with everything Tim's said below. As much as I would hate to se=
e
>> this podling retired, its impossible to sustain this project without the
>> original committers around.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Tim Ellison <t.p.ellison@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>
>> > On 28/02/17 16:36, Josh Elser wrote:
>> > > I would reword the following:
>> > >
>> > > "Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list about retir=
ing
>> > > Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now"
>> > >
>> > > to be something more like
>> > >
>> > > "A discussion on the mailing list resulted in multiple previous
>> > > contributors agreeing with a mentor suggestion to move Pirk towards
>> > > retirement."
>> > >
>> > > Given Tim and Suneel's contributions to the project, I want to hear
>> back
>> > > from them again before moving forward with the retirement steps. As =
two
>> > > veterans, I would have confidence that they could continue the podli=
ng
>> > > if they so desire.
>> >
>> > Apologies for being quiet for the last few weeks.  That has been
>> > personal reasons rather than a lack of interest in Pirk.
>> >
>> > I also appreciate the confidence you express that Suneel and I could
>> > continue the podling.
>> >
>> > With the greatest of respect to Suneel, I think that would be very
>> > difficult without the original contributors' participation, as they ha=
ve
>> > the deep background required to validate any proposed changes.  We hav=
e
>> > already seen cases where my enthusiastic enhancements have been temper=
ed
>> > by the team's sober reality checks; and this is not the type of system
>> > that can survive rookie errors.  I really appreciate the patient
>> > mentoring offered to me by the community.
>> >
>> > If we are destined to loose the full set of initial committers then I
>> > think it is inevitable, and wise, to retire the podling.  I signed up =
as
>> > a mentor because this is a cool technology.  While I understand the
>> > reasons, I'll be disappointed to see it disappear from the Apache fami=
ly.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Tim
>> >
>> > > Thanks, Ellison Anne.
>> > >
>> > > - Josh
>> > >
>> > > Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
>> > >> Any other feedback for the report? It's due tomorrow... Thanks!
>> > >>
>> > >> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Jacob Wilder<
>> > >> jacobwilder.opensource@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I=E2=80=99m in the same boat as Walter=E2=80=94my duties at work h=
ave taken up a
>> > greater
>> > >>> portion of my time and I haven=E2=80=99t had the time to contribut=
e to Pirk.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 2/27/17, 08:12, "Walter Ray-Dulany"<raydulany@gmail.com>  wrote=
:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      Sorry, I've been busy with work, and everything else has fall=
en
>> > >>> off of
>> > >>> my
>> > >>>      plate.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      I don't have time to be involved for the foreseeable future.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      Walter
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Josh Elser<elserj@apache.org=
>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>      >  Just wanted to clarify: the Attic is not the right phrasin=
g
>> for
>> > >>> podlings.
>> > >>>      >  Pirk would just retire from incubation. The following doc
>> > >>> sums this
>> > >>> up.
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne, I appreciate your candor in this situation. =
I
>> > >>> am also
>> > >>> rather
>> > >>>      >  surprised at the radio silence from those who were previou=
sly
>> > >>> active
>> > >>> in
>> > >>>      >  Pirk. Tracy, Christopher, Walter, and Jacob: comments or
>> > >>> opinions?
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  I would also be curious in hearing what Suneel and Tim hav=
e
>> > >>> to say
>> > >>> (with
>> > >>>      >  the previous DISCUSS in mind).
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >  Ellison Anne Williams wrote:
>> > >>>      >
>> > >>>      >>  Hi Guys,
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  As per the recent discussion on the mailing list, it seem=
s
>> > >>> that it
>> > >>> may be
>> > >>>      >>  best to put Pirk in the attic for a while. For varying
>> > >>> reasons, the
>> > >>>      >>  previous active contributors don't seem to be able to dev=
ote
>> > >>> serious
>> > >>>      >>  cycles
>> > >>>      >>  to Pirk right now and the Pirk community has not been
>> > >>> growing. I
>> > >>> have
>> > >>>      >>  drafted the podling report below as such - please let me
>> > >>> know if
>> > >>> think
>> > >>>      >>  otherwise. The podling report is due on Wednesday, March =
1.
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  Thanks-
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  Ellison Anne
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>  PirkPirk is a framework for scalable Private Information
>> > >>> Retrieval
>> > >>>      >>  (PIR).Pirk has been incubating since 2016-06-17. The init=
ial
>> > >>> code
>> > >>> for
>> > >>>      >>  Pirk wasgranted on 2016-07-11.Three most important issues=
 to
>> > >>> address
>> > >>>      >>  in the move towards graduation:  1. Grow the community to
>> > >>> establish
>> > >>>      >>  diversity of background and expertise.  2. Establish a
>> formal
>> > >>> release
>> > >>>      >>  process and schedule, allowing for dependable     release
>> > >>> cycles in
>> > >>> a
>> > >>>      >>  manner consistent with the Apache development     process=
.
>> > >>> 3. Add
>> > >>> to
>> > >>>      >>  and improve the Pirk user documentation and examples both=
 on
>> > >>> the
>> > >>>      >>  website and in the codebaseAny issues that the Incubator =
PMC
>> > >>> (IPMC)
>> > >>> or
>> > >>>      >>  ASF Board wish/need to beaware of?  Yes. The Pirk communi=
ty
>> > >>>      >>  participation and growth has stalled over the last few
>> months.
>> > >>>      >>  Recently, there has been discussion on the mailing list
>> about
>> > >>> retiring
>> > >>>      >>  Pirk (putting it in the attic) for right now.How has the
>> > >>> community
>> > >>>      >>  developed since the last report?  The Pirk community has =
not
>> > >>> developed
>> > >>>      >>  since the last report - there have been no new contributo=
rs
>> or
>> > >>>      >>  committers added.How has the project developed since the
>> last
>> > >>> report?
>> > >>>      >>  The Pirk project has stalled - the existing community has
>> > >>> not been
>> > >>>      >>  active nor has the community grown.Date of last release:
>> > >>> October 9,
>> > >>>      >>  2016When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
>> > Pirk
>> > >>>      >>  elected two new committers (Tim Ellison and Suneel Marthi=
,
>> > both
>> > >>>      >>  mentors) on August 18, 2016.
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>      >>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> >
>>