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From Olga Natkovich <ol...@yahoo-inc.com>
Subject RE: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP
Date Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:04:27 GMT

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitriy Ryaboy [mailto:dvryaboy@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 5:00 PM
To: pig-dev@hadoop.apache.org
Subject: Re: Restarting discussion on Pig as a TLP

This sounds reasonable. +1.

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Alan Gates <gates@yahoo-inc.com> wrote:

> Five months ago I started a discussion on whether Pig should become a top
> level project (TLP) at Apache instead of remaining a subproject of Hadoop (
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3C006AEA7C-8829-4788-AD7B-822396FA2E6B@yahoo-inc.com%3E).
>  At the time I voted against it (
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hadoop-pig-dev/201003.mbox/%3CF1484964-E774-48B7-9D45-6E57C7B09251@yahoo-inc.com%3E),
> as did many others.  However, I would like to restart that discussion now.
> I gave several reasons for voting against it :
> First, I was worried that by loosing our connection to Hadoop, Pig would
> loose its source of new users.  I have since been assured by Hadoop members
> that Pig would be free to keep our tab on their page (as Hbase has).  Also,
> obviously we would still be welcomed at Hadoop get togethers such as the
> various HUGs, Hadoop Summits, etc.  So our connection does not seem in
> danger.
> Two, I was concerned that by not being members of the Hadoop community we
> would loose influence with Hadoop.  It is true that Pig developers will have
> to stay active in the Hadoop community, which will put a slightly extra
> burden on them.  But they are already bearing this burden, and whether or
> not the communities are governed by the same or separate PMCs will not
> affect this.
> Finally, I said that philosophically it makes sense to me that all Hadoop
> related projects should stay under one umbrella.  This still makes sense to
> me, and I do see this as a downside of Pig moving out of Hadoop.
> In addition to the above, a few other things have happened over the
> intervening months to cause me to reconsider.  Most importantly, it has
> become clear to me that Pig is operating as if it were a TLP inside Hadoop.
>  We have four members on the Hadoop PMC, which means we have sufficient
> votes to elect our committers and release our products.
> Also, several Hadoop PMC members who have long experience in Apache
> projects have made clear to me that they believe Pig is ready to be a TLP.
> I was also concerned about diversity in our PMC, since our project is Yahoo
> heavy.  Given that 10 out of 12 committers are Yahoo employees we need to
> work on this.  But we do have experienced committers in three different
> organizations, and I think this gives us sufficient base to to work on it as
> a TLP.
> So, in summary, I have switched my view on this from "not yet" to "now is a
> good time".  I think Pig is ready to be a TLP.  We have a community of
> contributors and users that is growing both in numbers and in diversity.  We
> have a strong group of committers who I believe are ready to take on
> leadership of the project and who will benefit from being mentored by the
> larger Apache community.
> Thoughts?
> Alan.

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