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From Jeff Nokes <>
Subject Re: Why people not using mod_perl
Date Thu, 17 Sep 2009 02:47:13 GMT
Doesn't Amazon run mod_perl/Mason?

BTW, I agree with most of your points (would debate #4,5).  I may substitute the phrase "More
convenient" for "Easier" in #3.  I would also add ...

   #7)   How many engineers are available to hire that know or want to work with said technology?

I built a great platform at eBay on mod_perl/Mason that handled eBay-size traffic; we ran
6 eBay sites on it.  Now it is used for specialty e-commerce solutions like, (cross-border trade),, etc.  In fact, on the same hardware,
the main eBay Java app would support ~6 threads per box; the mod_perl platform supported ~60
(prefork), significant CapEx and power savings (which adds up at a place like eBay).

From: Brad Van Sickle <>
To: mod_perl list <>
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:31:30 PM
Subject: Re: Why people not using mod_perl


This is a mod_perl list, so I would expect to see Perl championed
pretty heavily, but Java, .net and there ilk are undoubtedly *the*
choice for large web applications.  I'd like to get into some
discussion as to why almost all *large* sites choose these languages.

I don't have any experience developing a large application in Java,
although I do have a lot of experience working on the operations side
of a large web application that is Java based. 

The reasons I generally hear for choosing Java over mod_perl are: 

1) Speed - I don't buy this at all
2) Maintainability - I think this makes sense.  Perl can be pretty easy
to maintain if you stick a good framework around it, but you have to
seek out that framework and YOU are responsible for adhereing to it. 
All of that is inherent in Java.  It also helps that Java has OO built
3) Easier to package and build/move code - In my experience this is
4) Advantages to be gained from running on an actually application
server - Also valid
5) Compatible enterprise class middleware - Also true, Java plugs into
more truly enterprise level suff than Perl does. (security frameworks,
etc... )  
6) Support 

A lot of the industry seems look at Perl as obsolete technology that
has been replaced by *insert hot new technology of the week here* 
which is a total shame.  I've worked with a lot of technologies and I
think Perl is a great choice for small/medium websites and webapps,
which is probably what most of us work on.  But I'm very interested to
know at what point (if any) a site/app grows too large or too complex
for mod_perl and what defines that turning point.   Could Amazon run on
mod_perl for example?

>>Phil Carmody wrote:
>--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Igor Chudov <> wrote:
>>My site is about 80,000
>>>lines of mod_perl code.
>>>I wrote a relatively large framework, with many homegrown
>>>perl modules, about five years ago. 
>>>It uses a database, image generation modules, a big
>>>mathematical engine that I wrote (that "shows
>>>work", unlike popular third party packages), etc. 
>>>All pages of my site are dynamic and it is very image heavy
>>>due to math formulae. 
>>>I can say two things: 
>>>1) It is relatively fast, serving pages in 0.1 seconds or
>>>2) Despite the quantity of code, and its age, it is still
>>>very maintainable and understandable (to me). 
>>In that case, would you like to fix its mangled output?
>>Â Â (Redirected from Prime factorization algorithm)
>>faster than O((1+ε)b) for all positive ε
>>an integer M with 1 ≤ M ≤ N
>>Pollard's p − 1 algorithm
>>Section 4.5.4: Factoring into Primes, pp. 379–417.
>>Chapter 5: Exponential Factoring Algorithms, pp. 191–226. Chapter 6: Subexponential
Factoring Algorithms, pp. 227–284. Section 7.4: Elliptic curve method, pp. 301–313.
>>Eric W. Weisstein, “RSA-640 Factored†
>>v • d • e
>>AKS · APR · Ballie–PSW · ECPP · Fermat · Lucas · Lucas–Lehmer
· Lucas–Lehmer–Riesel · Proth's theorem · Pépin's · Solovay–Strassen
· Miller–Rabin · Trial division
>>Sieve of Atkin · Sieve of Eratosthenes · Sieve of Sundaram · Wheel factorization
>>CFRAC · Dixon's · ECM · Euler's · Pollard's rho · P − 1 ·
P + 1 · QS · GNFS · SNFS · rational sieve · Fermat's · Shanks' square forms
· Trial division · Shor's
>>Ancient Egyptian multiplication · Aryabhata · Binary GCD · Chakravala ·
Euclidean · Extended Euclidean · integer relation algorithm · integer square root
· Modular exponentiation · Schoof's · Shanks-Tonelli
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