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From "Octavian Rasnita" <>
Subject Re: decline and fall of modperl?
Date Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:05:06 GMT
From: "David Ihnen" <>
>> Why it is bad that a language like PHP is more useful for more 
>> programmers?
> Because then they start thinking they're software engineers instead of 
> just programmers.  They get credibility, without having earned it through 
> good engineering.  They propagate their half-baked concepts and good 
> enough  for what I did before hackery into areas that hurt their clients, 
> cause loss of money, success, and jobs, furthermore lowering the 
> reputation of anybody who claims the title software engineer.

This is very true, and this means that PHP creates damage to the good 
software world, but most programmers don't care about creating good 
software, and having credibility, but earning money on a short term.
It seems that Perl is beaten by this new atitude, and the fact that it is a 
better language doesn't help too much.

> You may disagree, or think that is not important.  I think it is important 
> on a far deeper cultural level.

Of course I agree, but I just tell that Perl doesn't have tools for fighting 

>> Nobody cares about a contracts for software licences in my country.
> EXACTLY.  So trying to make money on contracts and software licenses is 
> useless.  Obfuscating does nothing but try to enforce a software license 
> that will be ignored anyway - so what value does it provide?

If the program is hard enough protected, most users won't be able to get its 
clear source code, so we can say that it is protected.
But if we protect it by just a licence, nothing would stop the user to sell 
it to someone else (theoreticly, of course, not that this thing really 

>> The target audience should be the students, the future possible perl 
>> programmers.
> How do you get their ear?

Using the same techniques used by PHP, Python...
Making it able to run on free shared hosting sites with no root and shell 
access, and beeing more interested in Windows portability.

>> Perl could be also used in commercial proprietary programs, and 
>> unfortunately in some countries it is very hard to earn money from open 
>> source.
> You sell them a solution.  This is where the money is.

And then you will see that many other users also use it, without paying you 

>> This is why I said that the software companies prefer Java, because 
>> nobody considers that it is something bad if a program made in Java is 
>> not open source.
> Until the company they bought it from vanishes, the source code is lost, 
> they need to make a slight but critical change to the functionality, and 
> find that it is almost completely undoable because its compiled.

Most companies don't have an IT department which would be able to understand 
a source code, and they won't find perl programmers very easy if that code 
is made in perl anyway.


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