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From "Gunther" <>
Subject Re: decline and fall of modperl?
Date Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:30:25 GMT
> Alright, I don't want to quibble, but I would question any conclusions
> you can draw from the numbers based upon the sole fact that it is
> based upon how developer self-identify.
Every language has it's own sub-languages or frameworks that they identify
themselves as. So I suspect the statistics Lupe posted are OK on average
and reflecting the general reality and representation of job availability.

Adding onto what Lupe has posted, I can confirm my own quick search on (nationwide). Keywords: Perl, PHP, Java, Ruby yield the
following as of 5 minutes ago.

Perl (1795), PHP (1145), Java (4940), and Ruby (318)

If you wish to add Drupal or other keywords, you may want to consider
doing so rather than leaving open speculation. If PHP is a skill needed
for the job, I suspect it will appear *somewhere* in the job description.
If you search Drupal on for example you will see a lot of PHP

Addressing some other themes I've seen here (not a direct response to you)

- Perl has been around a long time without much change

I am not sure why anyone thinks that is a bad thing. The fact that it is a
stable language seems 'good' to me. It hasn't changed because it does it's
job really well for what it does.

- That the amount of tools that exist for Perl are 'confusing'

I am not sure that is the case. The # of tools that exist does offer
choice and it can be a bit difficult to weed through the bad stuff to get
to the more useful tools, but that's what a mailing list like this can
help with. Someone can easily post saying "I need something to do X Y and
Z and I am interested in the underlying power of mod-perl or perl, can you
guys help me" and there's always posts where people do help guide.

Still though, it's not like it's really that hard. People here on the
mailing list like Perrin have written up talks comparing different
toolkits which can inform the community as well.

And even without those resources, if you are used to working with open
source tools you can usually visit and website and within 5 minutes figure
out if it's active and booming community or a dead horse.

So I see little problem really. In fact, the choice is a great thing.

As Perrin I think said earlier (I'm paraphrasing liberally I suspect), if
a company has already made up their mind ahead of time to use or not use a
technology, it's pretty easy to bash whatever you want.

That's why I liked Lupe's statistics on German job market, and I can back
up the ratios of jobs with the USA website which makes me
comfortable that his #s are probably reasonable representation of job
market reality without FUD getting in the way.

Best regards,

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