perl-modperl mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From James Austin <>
Subject Apache (httpd) + Persistant Perl (ModPerl/SpeedyCGI) + User Based Processes (SuExec) + Chroot
Date Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:46:45 GMT
I was referred to this mailing list from the following thread on perlmonks (
For years I have been using modperl and have been quite fond of it, the idea of persistant
perl interpereter is excellent.The problem however lies with using modperl securely for multiple
sites. Ideally, the desired solution is to have each site run in a chroot jail for security,
have each site execute under it's own user/group and have a modperl instance for each site.Up
until now the best solution I have been able to come up with is as follows:Implementation
Top Level Apache Server, Port 80, ModProxy 
This serves requests via ModProxy to the respective apache servers with mod_perl.Site 1 Apache
Server, Port 8081, ModPerl 
This server runs an instance of ModPerl and all scripts required for Site 1.Apache User: site1Site
2 Apache Server, Port 8082, ModPerl 
This server runs an instance of ModPerl and all scripts required for Site 2.Apache User: site2This
allowed me to have seperate modperl instances, this is done for three reasons: 
1) ModPerl does not support user based processes2) This prevents pollution between instances
& secures one mod_perl instance from another.3) Each instance can be chrooted for additional
security.The problem with this configuration is: 
1) Requires a new http server for each additional site/modperl application2) Apache creates
a set of workers for each instance (ususally about 7). With 7 required for the Top level proxy,
and 7 for each site, this soon adds up. 
e.g. 5 sites = 7 + (5 * 7) = 49 child workers---------------------------------Implementation
2:A new solution I have been working on is to have a single Apache server with chrooting suexec
and speedycgi.The setup is as follows: 
1. Create a Chroot Jail for Apache (Extra Security Measure). 2. Modify suExec to allow chrooting
before suid and process execution.3. Install Apache into Chroot Jail4. For each site:
a. Create a Jail for each site that includes perl + speedycgib. Create a virtualhost which
specifies SuExecUserGroup and the ENV variable used for the chroot.How it works: 
Apache first resides in a jail, it then serves non-perl requests to static objects as per
normal. When a request for a perl script is made: 
Apache chroots into the site's jail using suexec. Suexec changes to the correct site's user.SpeedyCGI
then either:
Loads a script into speedy-backend orExecutes a script cached in speedy-backendAdvantages:

1) Provides persistant perl WITH suexec for per-virtualhost user execution2) SpeedyCGI handles
dynamic data, Apache handles static, hence you don't require a covering proxy as described
in The timeout property in speedycgi
means that a script with low or no load will drop out of memory, this means high use scripts
will run in persistant perl and low use scripts will load into memory then remove themself
when they are no longer being activly used. Disadvantages: 
1) Speedycgi seems to be no longer in development, whereas modperl is still in active development.2)
I have read somewhere that speedycgi is not as fast as modperl (will have to benchmark the
two later).3) Since speedycgi with timeout enabled fades out with inactivity, the first request
to an inactive script requires all the modules to be reloaded, whereas modperl exists in memory
indefinitly and can load a script on server start, rather than first request. ---------------------------------I
was wondering if I could get some feedback on both these designs. I have been researching
and testing the second solution over the last few days and would like to get some input.a)
Is there a better way to achive this goal?b) Is there a way to make modperl scale and attain
the desired results without creating a new server for each instance (Implementation 1)?c)
Have I missed anything (security etc. (Implementation 2))?d) Is there a better solution (fastcgi/pperl
etc.)?e) What are there any downsides (other than those listed above) to either of these implementations?Finally,
are there any suggestions/ideas?James Austin 
Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile.
View raw message