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From Kurt Hansen <>
Subject Re: Zend PHP
Date Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:11:55 GMT
Martin Moss wrote:

>I just had a demo of the Zend Platform and framework
>for php.
>It's got some really nice stuff, but ultimately the
>reason we may decide to ditch perl and move to php
>(hmmmm I know booo) will be down to support. OR
>lackthereof for Perl...
>So my question is, given I'm not a php fan, Is there
>an equivalent PERL based commercial entity who will
>provide support for a medium sized web outfit?
My experience over the past 8 years as a very small web outfit with 
support that comes with a commercial product vs. support that comes with 
an open and free product is that the free product support meets or beats 
the commercial support hands down.

The commercial entities whose committment to their customers equals 
those of open-source developers are the exception rather than the rule. 
(And, unfortunately, those have a disturbing tendency to be bought by 
less customer conscious entities, e.g. VeriSign Payment Services being 
bought by PayPal, since the new boss cuts costs by cutting the support 
staff.) None surpass solid open-source communities.

Plus, the key contributors to the mod_perl community are some of the 
best in terms of engineering expertise, willingness to help, and 
incredible patience and respect for others. Some other communities are a 
bit harsh on folks who don't follow the proper form, e.g. qmail, but the 
expertise and helpfulness of even these amazes me. Especially after 
sitting on a phone call for 57 minutes with a very polite but completely 
unknowledgeable PayPal support person on a problem that would have taken 
the old VPS people 10 minutes to fix. Oh yeah, and the problem wasn't 
even fixed.

Of course, open source folk won't be your "hands," but they will be your 
brains. If it's "hands" you need to do that actual work, you'll have to 
pay for that by hiring one capable engineering or hiring a capable 

Take care,


Kurt Hansen
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