Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-modperl-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 76622 invoked by uid 500); 4 Feb 2002 11:47:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact modperl-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list modperl@apache.org Received: (qmail 76576 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 11:47:56 -0000 Message-Id: <200202041147.g14Bluj71437@kzsu.stanford.edu> To: mod_perl list cc: Mike808 , Dave Rolsky , Ask Bjoern Hansen Subject: Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon) In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Lindner of "Sat, 02 Feb 2002 09:20:01 PST." <20020202092001.A3971@inuus.com> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 03:47:56 -0800 From: Joe Brenner X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Paul Lindner wrote: > I'm against frivolous patents myself. It harms the industry and could > even be detrimental to mod_perl or Apache if either is found to > infringe upon such a patent. That indeed is the problem. Now that the FTC has been scared (or bought?) off, this is the *obvious* move for a large company to try and "cut off the air supply" of the open source movement. > However, please read the following articles before you boycott. The > first is an open letter from Jeff Bezos, the second is a fairly > lengthy article on the subject by Tim O'Reilly. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/misc/patents.html > http://www.oreilly.com/ask_tim/patent_reform_0300.html I read them some time ago, and re-read them again, and I'm still not impressed. Many companies take out software patents, but they claim they're for defensive purposes, so that they can use them to counter-sue. Amazon is the first case I've heard of where someone used them offensively. Jeff Bezos, to my ear, is just making some noises to put the crowd to sleep. He promises to chat with some congressman and that makes it all better? To me the whole point of boycotts is to provide some pressure to behave ethically even when it's not (yet?) legally mandated. Mike808 wrote: > And Barnes and Noble deserves its fair share of disgust > for filing counter patent-infringement suits. I'm no fan of Barnes and Noble, but a counter-suit is a counter-suit... the other guy was already playing dirty, before they started in with it. > And since BN owns Fatbrain, Yeah, I know, and am not happy about it, but at least it puts a dollar into the pocket of Amazons "victim". > so BookPool is my vendor of choice currently for > price-conscious book shopping. Thanks, I'll look into that one.