From embperl-return-9253-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@perl.apache.org Wed May 30 18:13:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 41E1F180676 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 18:13:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 49455 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2018 16:13:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact embperl-help@perl.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list embperl@perl.apache.org Received: (qmail 49404 invoked by uid 99); 30 May 2018 16:13:25 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:13:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 21F6AC0CC8 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:13:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.8 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS=0.8, KAM_LAZY_DOMAIN_SECURITY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=disabled Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XkdxnDNwWmn2 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from urchin.earth.li (urchin.earth.li [185.73.44.122]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 116055F41C for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 16:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dom by urchin.earth.li with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fO3j0-00028k-83; Wed, 30 May 2018 17:13:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 17:13:22 +0100 From: Dominic Hargreaves To: Gerald Richter Cc: embperl@perl.apache.org Subject: Re: Proposal to remove Embperl from Debian Message-ID: <20180530161322.734b4xkkrp5y46a6@urchin.earth.li> References: <20180521102949.gnqqryrhqomasw4r@urchin.earth.li> <1054252523.130182.1527435870921.JavaMail.zimbra@ecos.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1054252523.130182.1527435870921.JavaMail.zimbra@ecos.de> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Hi Gerald, There is no huge rush to make any change in Debian. Right now it's blocked from being released by this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=899021 That status can be changed up until the freeze (which is not for several months), or until we decide to remove it from Debian unstable completely. However I think it will be difficult to argue that it should remain in the next stable release without some movement on the upstream side towards supporting current perl environments. Best, Dominic. On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 05:44:30PM +0200, Gerald Richter wrote: > Hi, > > I know it's some years ago that I did the last release of Embperl. Also I personally still use it in our company, I didn't had the time to prepare new releases. > > As Dominic already wrote it's usually not much effort to adapt it to a new Perl version, but setting up the test environment takes time. > > So if anybody can help with testing, I would like to keep Embperl working and also as part of Debian (any other distros). > > Dominic, currently I have only rare access to my email. So if possible, can we shift the decission how to continue until mid of june? > > Thanks for all your work you put in Debian and Embperl > > Regards > > Gerald > > > ----- Urspr�ngliche Mail ----- > Von: "Dominic Hargreaves" > An: embperl@perl.apache.org > Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2018 12:29:49 > Betreff: Proposal to remove Embperl from Debian > > Hi, > > As you can see from the message below, we are considering removing Embperl > from Debian because of concerns about not being actively maintained. We > have had to patch it several times to cope with changes in newer upstream > versions over the past few years, and we don't think it is really being > used much in Debian any more. > > Interested if anyone has any thoughts on this from the user or upstream > dev perspective. > > Best, > Dominic. > > ----- Forwarded message from Dominic Hargreaves ----- > > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:08:38 +0200 > From: Dominic Hargreaves > To: submit@bugs.debian.org > Subject: Bug#899021: libembperl-perl: FTBFS with Perl 5.27, unmaintained > upstream > Reply-To: Dominic Hargreaves , 899021@bugs.debian.org > > Source: libembperl-perl > Version: 2.5.0-11 > Severity: serious > Justification: unmaintained upstream, and will shortly break in Debian > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-perl@lists.debian.org > User: debian-perl@lists.debian.org > Usertags: perl-5.28-transition hh2018 > > The upstream version of this package has not worked since 5.18, and we > have had to apply several fixes in Debian since. The build has now > broken again with Perl 5.27: > > http://perl.debian.net/rebuild-logs/perl-5.27-throwaway/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11_amd64-2018-05-18T08:09:28Z.build > > The problem in this case might not be that hard to fix, but I have > been consisdering deprecating/removing this for some time, as there is > a limit to how long we can be de facto upstream for this type of > package. > > Currently the package has a popcon of inst: 37 / vote: 22 / recent: 1 > suggesting that it is barely used anywhere. So I suggest that rather than > spending any more time maintaining it, we remove it from Debian. > > CC to debian-perl to get wider exposure of the proposal. > > Cheers, > Dominic. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscribe@perl.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-help@perl.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscribe@perl.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-help@perl.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: embperl-unsubscribe@perl.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: embperl-help@perl.apache.org