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From Dominic Hargreaves <...@earth.li>
Subject Re: Proposal to remove Embperl from Debian
Date Mon, 21 May 2018 19:02:16 GMT
Well, your Debian Wheezy box will probably continue to run just fine with
Embperl :)

Seriously though, you should be aware that that release is nearly out
of long-term support, and you should be planning an upgrade to Stretch
- an excellent opportunity to reap the benefits of our continued attempts
to keep things working and not be running a release without security
support.

As you say, it would be good to hear if there are any plans from anyone
who can actively pursue maintenance of Embperl (which implies keeping it
working on new perls) who has a stake in it - as there is, I think,
noone from the Debian side in this position.

Thanks for the feedback - it is appreciated.

Best,
Dominic.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 09:06:16AM -0700, Neil Gunton wrote:
> I am still actively using Embperl on my websites, fwiw. My main site is
> the largest collection of bicycle tour journals in the world. I may not
> show up in your statistics, but I just wanted to add one voice to the
> "please keep it" side. I really like Embperl, it just works and has done
> so for the last 18 years for me. I use Debian Wheezy currently, and my
> systems don't tend to change much or very often. It's true that Embperl
> isn't as actively developed as it used to be, but as with many things
> Perl, it is still used by some people in systems that have been around
> for a good long while, because they just do the job they are intended to
> do and work well, so there's no need for constant churn. I would hope
> that Gerald Richter and/or others would at least keep the package up to
> date so it can continue to be included in Debian, because being taken
> out completely seems like another step toward complete abandonment. If
> it's not too much trouble to keep it in, I'd ask for that to happen. The
> users might not be vocal or active in development of the package (I'm
> not), but it is used and has been for a long time.
> 
> My website is called crazyguyonabike, it's that dot com if anyone's
> interested. Not facebook by any means, but it's an active journaling
> website and like I said the largest in the world for bicycle tour
> journals. I'm also actively working on expansions to the site into other
> topics, so this is not a dead issue for me. I plan on continuing to use
> Embperl on new sites going forward.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration,
> 
> Neil Gunton
> 
> Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As you can see from the message below, we are considering removing Embperl
> > from Debian because of concerns about not being actively maintained. We
> > have had to patch it several times to cope with changes in newer upstream
> > versions over the past few years, and we don't think it is really being
> > used much in Debian any more.
> > 
> > Interested if anyone has any thoughts on this from the user or upstream
> > dev perspective.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Dominic.
> > 
> > ----- Forwarded message from Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li> -----
> > 
> > Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 17:08:38 +0200
> > From: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>
> > To: submit@bugs.debian.org
> > Subject: Bug#899021: libembperl-perl: FTBFS with Perl 5.27, unmaintained
> > 	upstream
> > Reply-To: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>, 899021@bugs.debian.org
> > 
> > Source: libembperl-perl
> > Version: 2.5.0-11
> > Severity: serious
> > Justification: unmaintained upstream, and will shortly break in Debian
> > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-perl@lists.debian.org
> > User: debian-perl@lists.debian.org
> > Usertags: perl-5.28-transition hh2018
> > 
> > The upstream version of this package has not worked since 5.18, and we
> > have had to apply several fixes in Debian since. The build has now
> > broken again with Perl 5.27:
> > 
> > http://perl.debian.net/rebuild-logs/perl-5.27-throwaway/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11/libembperl-perl_2.5.0-11_amd64-2018-05-18T08:09:28Z.build
> > 
> > The problem in this case might not be that hard to fix, but I have
> > been consisdering deprecating/removing this for some time, as there is
> > a limit to how long we can be de facto upstream for this type of
> > package.
> > 
> > Currently the package has a popcon of inst: 37 / vote: 22 / recent: 1
> > suggesting that it is barely used anywhere. So I suggest that rather than
> > spending any more time maintaining it, we remove it from Debian.
> > 
> > CC to debian-perl to get wider exposure of the proposal.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Dominic.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > 
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