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From Stas Bekman <>
Subject Re: saving the 'here is how to report bugs' cycle
Date Mon, 03 Nov 2003 04:20:35 GMT
Geoffrey Young wrote:
> Stas Bekman wrote:
>> You probably have noticed that almost every time there is a bug report 
>> from a person who is doing this for the first time, we need to tell 
>> them: go to
>> and follow the guidelines for a proper 
>> bug-report. I was thinking how can we save this wasteful cycle. For 
>> example we could adjust the failure message of 'make test' (in both 
>> mp1 and mp2) to provide that information.
> sure.  I had a similar thought this afternoon, which is why I pinged the 
> pmc wondering where the list footers for modperl@ got off to...

Now I connect it ;) I've thought of this while reading an interview with Linus:
Q: What do you use for bug reporting?

>> Certainly it's going to be hard with post-install problems. But we 
>> could finish the 'make install' target with a banner explaining what 
>> to do in the case of the post-install errors. Certainly this would be 
>> missed by those who install RPMs and similar prepackaged distros 
>> (though they could be changed to print a notice as well), but many 
>> install from source so that would help a lot I think.
>> Something as simple and outstanding as:
>> ****************************************************
>> *                                                  *
>> * Got a problem? See  *
>> *                                                  *
>> ****************************************************
> if we want to do that, some kind of bounding box for the information we 
> already put out after 'make install' might be a good idea as well - the 
> Apache2 stuff kinda gets hidden at the end of the output and doesn't 
> stand out all that much.  

sure, I've wanted this to happen long long time ago.

Actually it'd be a cool idea to have this feature in MakeMaker, so one just 
needs to supply a text to print post 'make install'.

> we also might want to consider a nice 
> completion banner of some sort.  

what do you mean? Like I did above? Of course...

> I'm kinda partial to a format similar 
> to one at the end of an apache-1.3 install myself :)

We should probably use a distinct format if possible. Personally I'm sort of 
so used to httpd's box, I always ignore it. So if they add some important 
notice in there I won't notice. So may be we should use a random border char...

Stas Bekman            JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker     mod_perl Guide --->

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