Update - I fat fingered the CVE number in this email body previously
(but it was correct in the subject).

The correct vulnerability reference number is CVE-2009-0796.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Fred Moyer <fred@redhotpenguin.com> wrote:
> mod_perl lists,
>
> A specific vulnerability [CVE-2009-0795] in Apache::Status and
> Apache2::Status has been discovered which may affect the security of
> your mod_perl installation.  Running Apache::Status on a public server
> with no protection has always been a bad idea though, vulnerability or
> not.
>
> The mod_perl1 and mod_perl2 codebases have been updated to protect
> against this vulnerability, but your existing server may be
> vulnerable.  To secure your mod_perl server from this vulnerability,
> we recommend that you disallow access to Apache::Status and
> Apache2::Status resources (usually located at /perl-status) from
> untrusted hosts.
>
> Q:  How do I know if my installation is vulnerable?
>
> A:  If you have enabled the Apache::Status or Apache2::Status modules
> in your httpd.conf, your installation may be vulnerable.  See the
> following links for details on what constitutes potentially vulnerable
> httpd.conf directives.
>
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/api/Apache/Status.html#Description
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Status.html#Description
>
> If you have a <Location /perl-status> directive in your httpd.conf,
> your installation is likely vulnerable.
>
> Q:  What steps do I take to secure my mod_perl installation?
>
> A:  Disallow access from certain clients to your status url (example
> /perl-status) in your httpd.conf file.
>
> mod_perl1 example:
>
> <Location /perl-status>
>   Order deny,allow
>   Deny from all
>   Allow from 127.0.0.1
>   SetHandler  perl-script
>   PerlHandler Apache::Status
> </Location>
>
>
> mod_perl2 example:
>
> <Location /perl-status>
>   Order deny,allow
>   Deny from all
>   Allow from 127.0.0.1
>   SetHandler  perl-script
>   PerlResponseHandler Apache2::Status
> </Location>
>

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mod_perl lists,

A specific vulnerability [CVE-2009-0795] in Apache::Status and
Apache2::Status has been discovered which may affect the security of
your mod_perl installation.  Running Apache::Status on a public server
with no protection has always been a bad idea though, vulnerability or
not.

The mod_perl1 and mod_perl2 codebases have been updated to protect
against this vulnerability, but your existing server may be
vulnerable.  To secure your mod_perl server from this vulnerability,
we recommend that you disallow access to Apache::Status and
Apache2::Status resources (usually located at /perl-status) from
untrusted hosts.

Q:  How do I know if my installation is vulnerable?

A:  If you have enabled the Apache::Status or Apache2::Status modules
in your httpd.conf, your installation may be vulnerable.  See the
following links for details on what constitutes potentially vulnerable
httpd.conf directives.

http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/api/Apache/Status.html#Description
http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Status.html#Description

If you have a <Location /perl-status> directive in your httpd.conf,
your installation is likely vulnerable.

Q:  What steps do I take to secure my mod_perl installation?

A:  Disallow access from certain clients to your status url (example
/perl-status) in your httpd.conf file.

mod_perl1 example:

<Location /perl-status>
   Order deny,allow
   Deny from all
   Allow from 127.0.0.1
   SetHandler  perl-script
   PerlHandler Apache::Status
</Location>


mod_perl2 example:

<Location /perl-status>
   Order deny,allow
   Deny from all
   Allow from 127.0.0.1
   SetHandler  perl-script
   PerlResponseHandler Apache2::Status
</Location>

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Octavian Râsnita wrote:
> Why it is bad that a language like PHP is more useful for more 
> programmers?
Because then they start thinking they're software engineers instead of 
just programmers.  They get credibility, without having earned it 
through good engineering.  They propagate their half-baked concepts and 
good enough  for what I did before hackery into areas that hurt their 
clients, cause loss of money, success, and jobs, furthermore lowering 
the reputation of anybody who claims the title software engineer. 

You may disagree, or think that is not important.  I think it is 
important on a far deeper cultural level.
> You don't know how things work in other countries.
> Nobody cares about a contracts for software licences in my country.
EXACTLY.  So trying to make money on contracts and software licenses is 
useless.  Obfuscating does nothing but try to enforce a software license 
that will be ignored anyway - so what value does it provide?
> Maybe, but who knows this?
> The target audience should be the students, the future possible perl 
> programmers.
How do you get their ear?

> Why should they be open source? 
Because the code is analyzable, fixable, and can essentially be 
maintained.  Its a long-term strategy for sustainability in operations.  
Because its your operations that make you money, not the how-you-did-it 
glue in your perl code.
> Perl could be also used in commercial proprietary programs, and 
> unfortunately in some countries it is very hard to earn money from 
> open source.
You sell them a solution.  This is where the money is.
> This is why I said that the software companies prefer Java, because 
> nobody considers that it is something bad if a program made in Java is 
> not open source.
Until the company they bought it from vanishes, the source code is lost, 
they need to make a slight but critical change to the functionality, and 
find that it is almost completely undoable because its compiled.

Hindsite is 20/20 - and we shouldn't have to convince a good business 
person that the unknowable will happen.  Limiting your options will 
almost inevitably hurt you.

David


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Finally, it's here and it works with Perl 5.10!

http://apache.org/dist/perl/mod_perl-2.0.4.tar.gz
http://apache.org/dist/perl/mod_perl-2.0.4.tar.gz.asc (pgp sig)

The package is also available on CPAN:

   file: $CPAN/authors/id/G/GO/GOZER/mod_perl-2.0.4.tar.gz
   size: 3727717 bytes
    md5: 1a05625ae6843085f985f5da8214502a
   sha1: 65299a16ec414a690a48a2bbe63acaa3c6bb897b

Changes since 2.0.3:

Fix $r->location corruption under certain conditions
[Gozer]

Fix a crash when spawning Perl threads under Perl 5.10
[Gozer]

Fix erratic behaviour when filters were used with Perl 5.10
[Gozer]

Fix problems with redefinitions of perl_free as free and perl_malloc
as malloc on Win32, as described at
  http://marc.info/?l=apache-modperl&m=119896407510526&w=2
[Tom Donovan]

Fix a crash when running a sub-request from within a filter where
mod_perl was not the content handler. [Gozer]

Refactor tests to use keepalives instead of same_interp [Gozer, Phred]

Apache2::Reload has been moved to an externally maintained
CPAN distribution [Fred Moyer <fred@redhotpenguin.com>]

PerlCleanupHandler are now registered with a subpool of $r->pool,
instead of $r->pool itself, ensuring they run _before_ any other
$r->pool cleanups [Torsten Foertsch]

Fix a bug that would prevent pnotes from being cleaned up properly
at the end of the request [Torsten Foertsch]

On Win32, embed the manifest file, if present, in mod_perl.so,
so as to work with VC 8 [Steve Hay, Randy Kobes]

Expose apr_thread_rwlock_t with the APR::ThreadRWLock module
[Torsten Foertsch]

Don't waste an extra interpreter anymore under threaded MPMs when using a
modperl handler [Torsten Foertsch]

Fix a bug that could cause a crash when using $r->push_handlers() multiple
times for a phase that has no configured handlers [Torsten Foertsch]

Catch up with some httpd API changes
   2.2.4:
    The full server version information is now included in the error log at
startup as well as server status reports, irrespective of the setting
of the ServerTokens directive. ap_get_server_version() is now
deprecated, and is replaced by ap_get_server_banner() and
ap_get_server_description(). [Jeff Trawick]

   2.3.0:
ap_get_server_version() has been removed. Third-party modules must
now use ap_get_server_banner() or ap_get_server_description().
[Gozer]

fixed Apache2::compat Apache2::ServerUtil::server_root() resolution
issues [Joshua Hoblitt]

*) SECURITY: CVE-2007-1349 (cve.mitre.org)
fix unescaped variable interprolation in regular expression
[Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn@stonehenge.com>, Fred Moyer <fred@redhotpenguin.com>]

Make $r->the_request() writeable
[Fred Moyer <fred@redhotpenguin.com>]

fix ModPerl::RegistryCooker::read_script to handle all possible
errors, previously there was a case where Apache2::Const::OK was
returned on an error.  [Eivind Eklund <eeklund@gmail.com>]

a minor compilation warning resolved in modperl_handler_new_from_sv
[Stas]

a minor compilation warning resolved in modperl_gtop_size_string
[Stas]

Prevent direct use of _deprecated_ Apache2::ReadConfig in
<Perl> sections with httpd Alias directives from
incorrectly generating
'The Alias directive in xxxxx at line y will probably never match'
messages.
[Philip M. Gollucci <pgollucci@p6m78g.com>]

Prevent Apache2::PerSections::symdump() from returning invalid
httpd.conf snippets like 'Alias undef'
[Philip M. Gollucci <pgollucci@p6m78g.com>]

Require B-Size 0.9 for Apache2::Status which fixes
Can't call method "script_name" on an undefined value
[Philip M. Gollucci <pgollucci@p6m78g.com>]

-march=pentium4 or anything with an = in it in CCFLAGS or @ARGV
that gets passed to xs/APR/APR/Makefile.PL broke the @ARGV
parsing.  I.E. FreeBSD port builds when users had CPUTYPE
set in /etc/make.conf.
[Philip M. Gollucci <pgollucci@p6m7g8.com>]

Fixes to get bleed-ithread (5.9.5+) to comile again.
[Philip M. Gollucci <pgollucci@p6m7g8.com>]

-- 
Philippe M. Chiasson     GPG: F9BFE0C2480E7680 1AE53631CB32A107 88C3A5A5
http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/       m/gozer\@(apache|cpan|ectoplasm)\.org/

Quoting Fred Moyer <fred@taperfriendlymusic.org>:
>
> Spend time developing mod_perl related talks and submit them to events.
>  I spent a lot of time developing talks for smaller workshops first,
> and am now submitting those talks to larger events such as OSCON and
> ApacheCon.

I guess i wonder how you encourage people to do that sort of stuff  
though.  How do you help get people out of the audience, and up at the  
mic?

> Europe has a decided advantage in that the concentration of users is
> over a smaller area than the US (making a generalization here, but one
> I think that is reasonable).  Flying from one end of North America to
> the other is more costly and time consuming than flying from one end of
> Europe to the other, so I think that may be a factor.

Most of the European workshops are very regionalized, and many of them  
have preference for the local language as well (see:  
http://www.yapceurope.org/workshops.html ).  So i'm not sure how many  
people are really flying around Europe to go to the workshop or not,  
that'd be something that would have to be asked of the organizers.  In  
North America though, it's definitely an issue.

> It's expensive.  I paid for myself last year and slept on a couch at a
> friend's place, and it was still a lot of money (even with my committer
> discount)  My employer paid the year before, which was great, but I got
> a lucky break in that instance :)
>
> The big conferences are for profit events, and most attendees rely on
> employers footing the bill for their employees.  I've dropped about
> four grand out of pocket in the past two years on conferences, I was
> lucky enough to have a well paying job but unfortunately the employer
> wouldn't pay for conferences on those occasions.

I wonder if the cost of the registration was less significant if that  
would encourage more people to participate.

> I've often thought that it would be cool to have a mod_perl
> conference/workshop, but the mod_perl community is a subset of both the
> Perl and Apache communities, so it seems like the audience is more
> limited than it would be at ApacheCon or YAPC.  It is generally a lot
> easier to encourage and facilitate mod_perl user attendance at an
> existing event rather than putting on a separate event.

The other bonus of just getting more people to submit talks for YAPC  
is that it gives puts people in front of people that might not really  
know anything about mod_perl, so an opportunity to educate people  
about it, and maybe bring in users.

mod_perl is such a powerful tool, and it seems like so few people even  
scratch the surface of what it can do.  I'd love to see projects  
coming out that were authentication agnostic, so you could just plug  
in whatever auth you want and drop say a forum, or a blog, into an  
existing site with huge userbase with a minimum of fuss.  PHP has tons  
of application level stuff, but none of them integrate (in a single  
sign on sense) with each other without huge headaches.  this seems  
like something that could be done easily, and well in mod_perl.  but i  
digress...

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adam.prime@utoronto.ca wrote:
> Quoting Geoffrey Young <geoff@modperlcookbook.org>:
> 
>> hi all :)
>>
>> perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
>> the years.  I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
>> don't you do it either :)
>>
> 
> (I'm CC'ing this to advocacy, in case anyone else is interested)
> 
> I'm interested in hearing the rant (and any associated rants), and 

I'll offer some thoughts here but am focusing on intelligent discourse 
rather than ranting :)

> especially interested in hearing ideas about what could be done to fix, 
> or at least adapt to the situation.  I was thinking about this a little 

Spend time developing mod_perl related talks and submit them to events. 
  I spent a lot of time developing talks for smaller workshops first, 
and am now submitting those talks to larger events such as OSCON and 
ApacheCon.

> bit this morning after seeing a post on perlbuzz about how the perl 
> track at OSCON actually has twice as many talks as it did the year 
> before (though it's still a far cry from it's TPC days).
> 
> I've been to two apachecon's (vegas and austin) but last year the 
> content in atlanta was underwhelming to me.  I instead chose to go to 
> the pittsburgh perl workshop, which though it didn't have much (or even 
> any) truly mod_perl content, the general perl content was good, and the 
> conference was dirt cheap (70USD IIRC).
> 
> I recently did a little bit of research for Richard Dice on perl 
> conferences and i was somewhat shocked to find out what they've got 
> going on in Europe.  They have upwards of 8 workshop style events, many 
> of which are multiple days all over Europe.  In addition to YAPC::EU.

Europe has a decided advantage in that the concentration of users is 
over a smaller area than the US (making a generalization here, but one I 
think that is reasonable).  Flying from one end of North America to the 
other is more costly and time consuming than flying from one end of 
Europe to the other, so I think that may be a factor.

> I wonder if there would be enough interest in a workshop style event 
> that was focused on mod_perl, or perl and websites to make it worth 
> while.  I wonder why people don't go to ApacheCon,

It's expensive.  I paid for myself last year and slept on a couch at a 
friend's place, and it was still a lot of money (even with my committer 
discount)  My employer paid the year before, which was great, but I got 
a lucky break in that instance :)

The big conferences are for profit events, and most attendees rely on 
employers footing the bill for their employees.  I've dropped about four 
grand out of pocket in the past two years on conferences, I was lucky 
enough to have a well paying job but unfortunately the employer wouldn't 
pay for conferences on those occasions.

> or don't submit 
> sessions to ApacheCon (which both seem to go hand in hand).  If 

Submitted two talks last year (none accepted), two talks this year 
(fingers crossed) :)

> ApacheCon isn't serving the needs of the mod_perl community effectively, 
> then maybe (if there's interest) the community should start serving itself.

I've often thought that it would be cool to have a mod_perl 
conference/workshop, but the mod_perl community is a subset of both the 
Perl and Apache communities, so it seems like the audience is more 
limited than it would be at ApacheCon or YAPC.  It is generally a lot 
easier to encourage and facilitate mod_perl user attendance at an 
existing event rather than putting on a separate event.

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Quoting Geoffrey Young <geoff@modperlcookbook.org>:

> hi all :)
>
> perl's (and mod_perl's) presence at apachecon has been dwindling over
> the years.  I won't get into a rant about why this might be, so please
> don't you do it either :)
>

(I'm CC'ing this to advocacy, in case anyone else is interested)

I'm interested in hearing the rant (and any associated rants), and  
especially interested in hearing ideas about what could be done to  
fix, or at least adapt to the situation.  I was thinking about this a  
little bit this morning after seeing a post on perlbuzz about how the  
perl track at OSCON actually has twice as many talks as it did the  
year before (though it's still a far cry from it's TPC days).

I've been to two apachecon's (vegas and austin) but last year the  
content in atlanta was underwhelming to me.  I instead chose to go to  
the pittsburgh perl workshop, which though it didn't have much (or  
even any) truly mod_perl content, the general perl content was good,  
and the conference was dirt cheap (70USD IIRC).

I recently did a little bit of research for Richard Dice on perl  
conferences and i was somewhat shocked to find out what they've got  
going on in Europe.  They have upwards of 8 workshop style events,  
many of which are multiple days all over Europe.  In addition to  
YAPC::EU.

I wonder if there would be enough interest in a workshop style event  
that was focused on mod_perl, or perl and websites to make it worth  
while.  I wonder why people don't go to ApacheCon, or don't submit  
sessions to ApacheCon (which both seem to go hand in hand).  If  
ApacheCon isn't serving the needs of the mod_perl community  
effectively, then maybe (if there's interest) the community should  
start serving itself.

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Adam Prime wrote:
> I realize this list has been completely dead for a year now, but i'll 
> give this a shot anyway.  I saw this today.
> 
> http://perlbuzz.com/mechanix/2007/12/simple-apachefastcgicatalyst-c.html
> 
> And I wondered if anyone might want to address the comment 'mod_perl is 
> bloated'.  I'm sure it's 'bloated' compared to FastCGI, but FastCGI and 
> mod_perl are barely comparable.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.  But watch out for the mirrors.

Interesting that his cookbook link leads to this:

   mod_perl Deployment

   mod_perl is the best solution for many applications, but we'll list
   some pros and cons so you can decide for yourself. The other
   production deployment option is FastCGI, for which see below.

There was some concern at ApacheCon that the mod_perl core is difficult 
to maintain because it is mostly written in XS.  One person suggested 
that a thin wrapper around the Apache API would be a logical next step. 
  There is a performance hit to that approach, but the maintainability 
of the core would likely go up.

I think that a lot of times when FastCGI is compared to mod_perl it 
really needs to be compared to ModPerl::Registry and Apache::PerlRun, 
Gozer gave a talk about this at Apachecon, and the room was packed. 
Those are the people trying to decide between mod_perl and fast_cgi.

I think that  ModPerl::Registry should split off from the core, and be 
independent like Apache::Reload is in the process of doing.  That's a 
dev topic though and I'll leave that to the dev list.


   But you can read the comment i've
> already left yourself.
> 
> Adam
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I realize this list has been completely dead for a year now, but i'll 
give this a shot anyway.  I saw this today.

http://perlbuzz.com/mechanix/2007/12/simple-apachefastcgicatalyst-c.html

And I wondered if anyone might want to address the comment 'mod_perl is 
bloated'.  I'm sure it's 'bloated' compared to FastCGI, but FastCGI and 
mod_perl are barely comparable.  But you can read the comment i've 
already left yourself.

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