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From Tilman Hausherr <THaush...@t-online.de>
Subject Re: Imposition with annotations
Date Wed, 27 Dec 2017 09:34:40 GMT
You could call acroForm.setNeedAppearances(true) to have Adobe (don't 
know about apple) recreate the apperance streams.

If you don't use that, then yes, you'd need to modify the content stream 
(and also the bbox, and possibly the matrix) to the new rectangle, by 
reverse-engineering what's there. The content stream is the gibberish.


Am 27.12.2017 um 01:12 schrieb Dale King:
> So I understand what is going on and my theory of missing resources was
> incorrect.
> So the first question was why when I changed the rectangle of the square
> annotation did it not visually appear to be the size I had set (appeared to
> be inset)? The annotation was created in apple Preview app. When the
> annotation was added my settings in Preview included a thick dashed border
> line, but using a transparent color. When Preview creates the annotation it
> creates it using an appearance stream which includes the instructions to
> draw the filled square and to also draw the border even though it is
> transparent. When you change the rectangle on an annotation with an
> appearance stream the PDF viewer creates a matrix to translate the
> coordinates from the BBox of the appearance stream to the rectangle of the
> annotation (See section 12.5.5 of the PDF spec). The issue is that the
> rectangle of the annotation from the original annotation included the thick
> transparent border line so the rectangle was bigger than the actual visible
> square annotation. Changing the rectangle scales the dimension of the
> visiblie square but also scales up the thickness of the transparent border.
> So scaling a little rectangle to the size of the page also scales up the
> difference between the bounding box of the appearance stream and the fill
> operation in the appearance stream.
> The other question was why after copying the annotation to a new file and
> interacting with the annotation in Apple Preview does it suddenly change
> appearance and become the correct size, but with a dashed border and loses
> the fill color if the fill was semi-transparent? When Apple preview creates
> an annotation it creates a copy of the annotation in an Apple specific
> entry. My theory is that after I alter the rectangle and re-edit the new
> PDF and interact with the annotation it sees that its copy and the basic
> info in the annotation don't agree so decides it needs to recreate the
> annotation based on the basic information in the annotation. However
> transparency isn't really specified in the basic annotation information.
> Transparency only comes from an ExtGState resource loaded by the appearance
> stream. So when it recreates it doesn't know anything about the
> transparency and creates it without transparency.
> So it appears trying to copy and resize annotations that involve
> transparency is going to be very problematic and would require a deep dive
> into recreating the annotation.
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Tilman Hausherr <THausherr@t-online.de>
> wrote:
>> In PDFBox, either keep the source open and don't close it before saving
>> your copy document; or use PDFCloneUtility.
>> I suspect you mean the resources... these you could simply assign the
>> resources from the old to the new, while creating an adjusted content
>> stream.
>> I also suggest you use the PDFDebugger app to look at what's really in
>> your document.
>> Tilman
>> Am 25.12.2017 um 07:18 schrieb Dale King:
>>> I am still trying to get this to work. I tried switching to iText library
>>> and while initially getting better results with annotations, it still did
>>> not work. I am coming to the conclusion that the primary issue is that if
>>> I
>>> copy an annotation from one document to another the problem is that the
>>> annotation dictionary is a shallow copy. The annotation dictionary
>>> references other objects that are not copied to the destination document.
>>> So I am wondering if there is a simple way given a dictionary to do a deep
>>> copy to another document?
>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Dale King <dalewking@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So what I was missing was that annotations can have their own content
>>>> streams. This is going to be difficult. I know it is easier programming
>>>> wise to add the annotations afterward, but usability wise it is easier to
>>>> do it before hand.
>>>> So to understand the problem more what my program is doing is it takes an
>>>> input that looks like the input I showed you except that there are
>>>> perhaps
>>>> 20-30 pages like that that are a single line of music. My program builds
>>>> another document with pages that are 8"x5" (to match my tablet that has a
>>>> 16x10 aspect ratio). The program puts as many lines of music it can per
>>>> page (and can actually put several short lines together horizontally.
>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Tilman Hausherr <THausherr@t-online.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Am 04.12.2017 um 19:57 schrieb Dale King:
>>>>> OK that is really odd. I am on Mac and in preview the blue rectangle
>>>>>> not the same size as yours, but when I click on it it changes to
>>>>>> dashed
>>>>>> black rectangle bordering the enter page and the blue goes away.
>>>>>> Sorry, I don't speak PDF content streams to know what the content
>>>>>> stream
>>>>>> is telling me.
>>>>>> In the PDF 32000 specification look for "operator summary". I'll
>>>>> annotate
>>>>> a few below.
>>>>> For what you want to do (I haven't understood all the words - I assume
>>>>> you want to cover parts so that you see only one line of notes) it
>>>>> would be
>>>>> easier to create the annotations as new instead of copying them.
>>>>> Tilman
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Tilman Hausherr <THausherr@t-online.de
>>>>>> <mailto:THausherr@t-online.de>> wrote:
>>>>>>       Am 04.12.2017 um 18:42 schrieb Dale King:
>>>>>>       I tried for a simpler goal, just take that annotation and
>>>>>>>       translate it to cover the entire output page, but even
that did
>>>>>>>       not work as can be seen in the output pdf. Something is
>>>>>>>       in the way and adding its own coordinate translation but
I cannot
>>>>>>>       figure out what.
>>>>>>>       The annotation of the target PDF does cover the entire
>>>>>> Click
>>>>>>       on the left border of the page in Adobe Reader and you'll see
>>>>>>       rectangle. However...
>>>>>>       I suspect you're unhappy with the blue rectangle. This could
>>>>>>       because of the appearance stream which you took from the source
>>>>>>       unchanged:
>>>>>>       q
>>>>>>       Q
>>>>>>       q
>>>>>>         7.044313E-5 4.893184E-6 112.2815 29.0435 re   <==== sets
>>>>>>       rectangle and clip
>>>>>>         W
>>>>>>         n
>>>>>>         /Cs1 cs
>>>>>>         0 0.3813631 0.9982447 sc  <==== color
>>>>>>         /Gs1 gs
>>>>>>         3.498857 3.498791 105.2839 22.04592 re <=== sets a rectangle
>>>>>>       fill
>>>>>>         f
>>>>>>         4.997579 w
>>>>>>         2 J
>>>>>>         [ 11.99758 18.99274 ] 1 d
>>>>>>         /Cs1 CS
>>>>>>         0 0 0 SC  <===== black
>>>>>>         /Gs2 gs
>>>>>>         q
>>>>>>           1 0 0 1 -399.6912 -556.2903 cm <==== position
>>>>>>           403.1903 559.7895 105.284 22.04594 re  <==== sets a
>>>>>>       and stroke
>>>>>>           S
>>>>>>         Q
>>>>>>       Q
>>>>>>       Tilman
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dale King
>>>> --
>>>> Dale King
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