Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7591E200CE9 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 00:55:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id 7405816E65E; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id B90B116E65D for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2017 00:55:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 25504 invoked by uid 500); 4 Aug 2017 22:55:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@orc.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@orc.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@orc.apache.org Received: (qmail 25492 invoked by uid 99); 4 Aug 2017 22:55:03 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd1-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 22:55:03 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd1-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd1-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 43270C2D4F for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:55:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd1-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.504 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.504 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, KAM_NUMSUBJECT=0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.625] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd1-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd1-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.7]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ye_93oOwZquJ for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qt0-f169.google.com (mail-qt0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 596E75F666 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 22:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt0-f169.google.com with SMTP id t37so16717966qtg.5 for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=y3MnU6uI17Jq4YGVIBN/w9sRnuHG8T3IMmXbE02+szo=; b=a90fm/wDig0kRKCUG1VvmGxLLzOgCpNa60YntE2SfQ8YTWOskjfPN2p5Bm5ssxSyqS u1aVaRJePb2OoL4fnAHKbbf5i3t07AdEh2hM9g/Exhxb8qiLegAd8JxVulzzgK2vLPTp 7KmTkgb8ncOudKA+BB/8bznMlg/xkrkozG/A1rg9lt026PEX+24Ri8m+2lcDQqNpwGCe IUtEx2DNl0FOAPCnpc+5pT5BAdIW9xfPBfnDzbUslZfpgWgfcds8CvB8/XVO0x5nb2YW x0VsJ34qCWw5I1A/rv9YKsck9NhX0ic+PKn/CoNzH9AITJvilBGEa7Ulw/jLdgxoMnth vF5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=y3MnU6uI17Jq4YGVIBN/w9sRnuHG8T3IMmXbE02+szo=; b=J4Xg3+Z1gg1T+MmYo69Sv71YVF98UTkbyRbvdF6sZ8wZ9pZVeo/USCB4f2YGhjrwcC J2OHmrfjfwWAFOmFwrPh7qOUqDfOLy24G1F3pb+rfajr495NVWsa7wv+XnO6d3G8Mi+U FCz5AIEpM5T5v/Y00lQHHI4m8R5gP/G+3s6DE6R9OYdX7k7sYz6FQTcSDJ9iijSFCVSY RmQdC37rFGOTANjsB7coYnQrwr7KQ8BgkdOvcY3qVUuQAkPC1BSKzj7NJYeLdEwVCCHX w5YDbXZwbJ4+IdGTrLCUEpfFOI9w+oj5SvOfkqzggVa2GpPkhnKpRtQgz86qoVgUreWA uI3A== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hc3GpTewA4unHzPQ0CJL2VSshep2L965iO70Xo3DqCoJrjFWZo 7+5Y9XpF+BBcTJHATpOf0adcdMdselDb X-Received: by 10.200.47.152 with SMTP id l24mr5634938qta.222.1501887299075; Fri, 04 Aug 2017 15:54:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.39.132 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <14E5721E-AD09-4365-8D59-EE817C2F28C5@iq80.com> References: <14E5721E-AD09-4365-8D59-EE817C2F28C5@iq80.com> From: Alan Gates Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 15:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] ORC 2.0 To: dev@orc.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1146ee50f4444f0555f56283" archived-at: Fri, 04 Aug 2017 22:55:05 -0000 --001a1146ee50f4444f0555f56283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It seems ok to change them in a source and binary compatible way. +1 to making upgrades as easy as switching out the jars at runtime. Alan. On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote: > > > On Aug 4, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Owen O'Malley > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Alan Gates > wrote: > > > >> Let me make sure I have the backwards compatibility straight. If a user > >> switches to ORC 2.0, he could choose to continue writing in older > formats > >> so that his old tools could read it. Then once all his tools are > upgraded > >> he could throw a config switch and new data would be written in the new > >> format. Once that switch was thrown, any pre-ORC 2.0 tools would be > >> unusable. Before throwing that switch, he would get none of the > benefits > >> of ORC 2.0. Is this summary correct? > >> > > > > Yes, exactly. > > I think the important part is not to change the APIs so tools can be > updated by just upgrading the dep. > > -dain --001a1146ee50f4444f0555f56283--