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From "rabbah (Confluence)" <no-re...@apache.org>
Subject [CONF] OpenWhisk > 2019-03-06 OW Tech Interchange - Meeting Notes
Date Wed, 06 Mar 2019 18:20:05 GMT
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<li> <span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-41" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">It would be better for controller to “not care” about invoker config state</span> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Collect NodeStats from event stream</span></span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;"> to determine action container “launchability"</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">No changes, but </span><span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">rely on whisk.container-pool.user.memory= INFINITE</span></span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">basically all </span><span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Invokers appear to controller to have&nbsp;unlimited&nbsp;resources</span></span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-44" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Tyson then shared slide with a flow diagram titled</span><span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">” ContainerPool run overflow"</span></span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span><span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Tyson then shared slide titled&nbsp;“ContainerPool Other Workflows"</span></span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-45" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Adobe has a planned mesos containerfactory &nbsp;which will support better nodestats data</span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">k8s container factory could also collet nodestats data in some way...</span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-46" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Note: node start/stop state needs to be better track to resrvations</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Dragos: with Istio we could write plug-ins to handle</span> </p> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Dave: interesting idea, but doubtful it can operate at speed in production anytime soon. IBM people have researched and tracked network connect algos. that shows it does and may not ever scale well. super-linear</span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" id="changed-diff-68" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">good for small clusters, beyond that not scalable</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">announced “Marketplace” yesterday for 3rd party “droplet” images</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Apache OW image goes by a diff. image name “Nimbella” (Rodric's company) light, 1-lick deploy and get started with an OW impl.</span> </p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Not just OW in the image… added IBM KUI (shell, IBM repo. avail.) added a web-based depl. env. from within browser… can run “Wsk” commands in your browser...</span> </p> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-changed" style="background-color: #d6f0ff;">Rodric shares a live demo… “Nimbella Serverless Workbench"</span> </p> </li> 
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