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From "Dave Grove (Confluence)" <no-re...@apache.org>
Subject [CONF] OpenWhisk > 2019-02-20 OW Tech Interchange - Meeting Notes
Date Thu, 21 Feb 2019 14:30:04 GMT
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<td valign="middle" style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse"><span class="batch-message"><span class="batch-user-fullname" style="font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold">Dave Grove</span> edited this page</span></td> 
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<td style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse; padding-top: 15px; font-size: 14px"><span class="batch-message">Here's the version comment</span></td> 
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<td valign="middle" style="padding: 0px; border-collapse: collapse"><span class="batch-message"><span class="batch-user-fullname" style="font-size: 16px; font-weight: bold">Dave Grove</span> edited at <a href="https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=103091247" style="color: #3b73af; text-decoration: none">02:27 PM</a></span></td> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-0" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">Erez (</span>IBM Research<span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-1" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">)</span>,<span class="diff-html-removed" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;"> </span><span class="diff-html-removed" id="removed-diff-0" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">Erez? &nbsp;wokring </span><span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-2" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">&nbsp; working </span>on Serverless, incl. OW and knative, etc. (the anon person)</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Rahul (Adobe) - working on some depl. strat. &nbsp;starting a CWIKI post...</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Lavanya (Adobe) - cannot voice</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Manoj (Adobe) - SW quality engineer</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Recurring Agenda topics</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Main/core OpenWhisk</span>&nbsp;(e.g., Rodric/Carlos//Tyson, etc.)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>PR Review: &nbsp;</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">James: 3 PRs of interest (my PoV):</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>#4226: change the default action context to omit the api key</strong> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">API key is always avail. in runtime… well-used in platforms, BUT can use API key to do “bad things” on the platform.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Security-by-default would turn this off</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">propose use annotation to preserve...</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Might cause providers who assume this to break, until they use new flag (as default)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>#4216: propose lean openwhisk</strong> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">remove kafka and other containers not always needed...</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">merged 11 days ago</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Run more easily locally</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Rodric: suggests using this profile for Docker Compose (easy up) for developers</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>#4129 Adding YARNContainerFactory</strong> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Allow OW to run on Apache Hadoop clusters</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Rodric, doing work with author to firm up PR</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Carlos: &nbsp;thinks that this would be a great PR to blog about and showcase OW “pluggability”</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Also, notes the Docker and Mesos factories as well!</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Benefits, Pros, Cons… could be discussed</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">James: guide to create other factories like FireCracker perhaps?</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Runtimes updates</span>:</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Release/Graduation:</span>&nbsp;(e.g., Matt/Vincent)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Matt: IBM handoff of logos/trademarks/domain names proceeding/ IBM legal in contact with ASF legal with draft documents.&nbsp;</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Target of Feb 20th board meeting was not made due to late text/wording changes requested by ASF legal</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Next target board mtg. is sched. for 20 March 2019.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Vincent: working on staging “as best possible” from China (only getting at most 1-2 days work per week while remote); hopefully back in US in a couple of weeks to resume at full speed.</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Kubernetes</span>: &nbsp;(e.g., Dave G.)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Mesos/Compose/OpenShift:</span> (e.g., Dragos/Tyson)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>API</span> <span>Gateway</span> (Matt Hamann/Dragos)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Tooling</span>/<span>Utilities</span> (Carlos (CLI), Priti/Matt (wskdeploy))</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Catalog</span>/<span>Packages</span>/<span>Samples</span> (e.g., Carlos/Matt/Priti)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">No update</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>Scheduled Topic</span>s</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <span>OpenWhisk Runtimes on Knative (Matt/Priti)</span> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Matt shows slides explaining goal: that is, “getting OpenWhisk runtimes to be able to be</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">1. built for either “openwhisk” (default) platform &lt;or&gt;</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">2. built for “knative” (for use with Knative Serving on Kube)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Knative has a diff. “contract”, that is, runs on “/“ (domain root), single endpoint&nbsp;</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">NOT like openwhisk where we have /init, /run</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Challenge was detect “kantive” build and register “/“ (root) as entry point where it performs BOTH /init and /run *and does NOT register /init or /run)</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Future goal: 2-stage build… where we do not even compile in “conditional IF-THEN-ELSE” logic for knative or openwhisk platforms, but rather create a stem cell with ONLY the code needed for either target env.</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">also enables special built runtime containers that have special code enabled by “build flags" like “DEBUG” or profile “TRACE” images</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Matt/Priti: working on adding more tests</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Web Actions, Raw-Http, etc.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Want to try this with ActionLoop (go proxy)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>Demo</strong>: Matt shows “Hello World” deployment on Knative/Kube (docker desktop)</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Matt: Priti would have done a much better job as she got the conditional logic to work and knows Knative/kube better, but she is having isses with Kube/Istio this morning...</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Expects a PR/discussion on “dev” list in about a week or so.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Rodric (chat): "Matt, question for later - instead of modifying the runtime to bypass init, did you consider leaving the runtime alone and modifying the invoke protocol so that for some annotated actions it skips calling init"</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Matt: simply tried to fulfill the “contract” Knative/Kube user expect for a Knative Service (function) or actually for any Kube service would be. &nbsp;We can talk anytime on dev. list etc.</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>OpenWhisk Benchmark Tool proposal (<span class="diff-html-removed" id="removed-diff-1" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ffe7e7; text-decoration: line-through;">Neeraj</span><span class="diff-html-added" id="added-diff-3" style="font-size: 100%; background-color: #ddfade;">Erez</span>)</strong> </p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Discusses how we have perf. overhead with current test tools</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Suggests a new tool/new approach</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">written in NodeJS, produced one output CSV file to stdout, on/off logging to stderr</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Goal: compare latency of OpenWhisk when “under stress” (against many concurrent clients)</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Shows graph of Latency results at different stages of invocation</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0"> <strong>Demo</strong> shown</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Docs avail. to explain settings and how to recreate the demo</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">SETUP (script) creates Rules, Triggers and Actions</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Workers are created</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">All workers are “engaged” (setup complete)</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Post processing (after 1 minute) “dump” (CSV records created)</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">full profiling, summaries (computations/sums) created from timestamps, etc.</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Spreadsheet (Excel) shown after importing CSV (from this test, which was an Action (blocking) test</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Notice you get trigger start, to action start as well</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">shows min, max and std. deviations; for "total overhead", “throughput", etc.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">This run used 4 “workers"</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">Carlos: this should go into “core” openwhisk repo. as a PR</p> </li> 
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<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">perhaps put it under test/performance as a “1st stage” before we are able to automate in Travis for inclusion in “main/core” repo.</p> </li> 
<li> <p style="margin: 10px 0 0 0; margin-top: 0">select a “positive” name for the tool.</p> </li> 
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