Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-openoffice-users-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-openoffice-users-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C277115FE for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 28811 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jun 2014 21:38:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-openoffice-users-archive@openoffice.apache.org Received: (qmail 28768 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jun 2014 21:38:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@openoffice.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: users@openoffice.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list users@openoffice.apache.org Received: (qmail 28754 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jun 2014 21:38:21 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:38:21 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of toki.kantoor@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.46 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.46] (HELO mail-pa0-f46.google.com) (209.85.220.46) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:38:15 +0000 Received: by mail-pa0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eu11so777135pac.5 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:from:date:to :message-id; bh=+ITpyBxdgeKzjYM8MkSSqpmsPxv7HCwf56VCiRplNOs=; b=rYBtB2duZFTXQrtFLOgHdjWgUZAG7y7FmtNOyAh149zI0YJ2X08WL/l/uZnZwdR518 cPkl6UOReW31QhXwuzOP5bd9atHtPnZ0h5jdWbictgXvcBBjxH7BuFkYcQl4cWJ5Ui3P BBEwtp4qTQZ1eeo9uxUzxBr6huocYrfkNvcbQ8t855DIRH/nTqJYSp77Pv0fLycmvsFy FUGzweUct1jxjK1SDwAfTc37hoAh2yKjLZNnf/dx0snMaqZI8BuP6d5TmQCtMRmeYLfx FnPKrzmjdUGuw/p0wgDMZxiAAV3StbB3+YzuCCky9IPOln6aAhPZpHToYDd0BwueU9D0 +lXw== X-Received: by 10.68.125.164 with SMTP id mr4mr5205432pbb.27.1403645874834; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-76-28-247-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net. [76.28.247.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id bg15sm7036457pac.1.2014.06.24.14.37.52 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:37:53 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <53A9C82C.9030404@gmail.com> References: <53A9C82C.9030404@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: It sucks From: toki Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 14:37:47 -0700 To: users@openoffice.apache.org,Christopher Hallsworth Message-ID: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On June 24, 2014 11:49:16 AM PDT, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: >I asked to make it accessible with VoiceOver but received no response. A11Y is a two way street. Both sets of developers (A11Y & other program) have to work together, so that the program functions as expected, when using the A11Y software. If the A11Y software developers don't take advantage of A11Y interfaces in the program, then it does not matter what the program developers do, the A11Y software won't work with it. I don't know what the issue with VoiceOver is, but in the Windows world, unless Freedom Scientific recently changed their thinking, LibO and AOo are non-starters.For that matter, the same thing is true for GW Micro. > Someone suggested LibreOffice your competitor so going to try that. NeoOffice is more likely to work with VoiceOver than LibO. >Hadley School for the Blind What seems really stupid to me, is that rather than develop software that is fully functional for blind people, organizations will spend money teaching people that can't see, to fail to be able to use software that not only is user-hostile to begin with, but requires vision to be able to properly use. jonathon -- Your documents, your language, your way. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@openoffice.apache.org