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From "Think" <>
Subject RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Date Tue, 07 Jan 2014 04:49:11 GMT
I want to ensure clarification of my oped:

I never said I was holier than thou. I said, "play nice kids. The world is watching."

Snarks not needed.

And, fyi, you weren't diagnosing or helping anyone with the comments you were making. If you
were, I wouldn’t have penned my missive. Want to go after me, please do. Instead you might
wish to behave yourself.

Brenda Hart Neihouse

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [] 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary

Does anyone else care to post a "holier than thou" note, or we done
for the night?  Anyone? Let's get it all out. Then those who remain
can get back to actually helping users diagnose their problems rather
than pontificate about software quality or list etiquette.


> On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Think <> wrote:
> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured
into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much
and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like "wow, dude.
I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get
paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone
for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what
a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development
firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in
my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website,
because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our
back end coder.
> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed
wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software
package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai
will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next,
with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have
to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to
warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect
and not where you disagree.
> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives
and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a
china shop.
> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow
> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job,
but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy
of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it
again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected
under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you
just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't
understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
> Perspective, best served up warm.
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir []
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
> <> wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
>> in the present OOo software suite.  You do something according to one set of
>> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
>> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
>> entirely different result (or non-result).   This, at least to me, would
>> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
>> inconsistent, coding within OOo.  I've experienced a similar inconsistency
>> in OOo code in another area.
>> I submit this query.  Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
>> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
>> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
>> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
>> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
>> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
> issue in Cygwin.  Wow, that was fast!  Maybe now that you've
> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
> submit a patch to fix it?  Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
> issue?
> Regards,
> -Rob
>> Best wishes,
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>> Win7
>> cygwin
>> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
>> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
>> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
>> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
>> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
>> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
>> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
>> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
>> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
>> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
>> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
>> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
>> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
>> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
>> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
>> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
>> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
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