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From "Think" <>
Subject Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Date Tue, 07 Jan 2014 04:09:55 GMT
I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured
into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much
and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like "wow, dude.
I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."

Since then, I have been watching and reading.

Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.

I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid
for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone
for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.

I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer
was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I
ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early
30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because
I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end

Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly
under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package
for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will
help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with
police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.

But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to
be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn
elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.

Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect
and not where you disagree. 

And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and
their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china

And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow

Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but
someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.

If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of
no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again.
There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under
the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.

Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just
comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand
how this works and some of you need some perspective.

Perspective, best served up warm.

Brenda Hart Neihouse

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [] 
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary

On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
<> wrote:
> Greetings All,
> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
> in the present OOo software suite.  You do something according to one set of
> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
> entirely different result (or non-result).   This, at least to me, would
> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
> inconsistent, coding within OOo.  I've experienced a similar inconsistency
> in OOo code in another area.
> I submit this query.  Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?

So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
issue in Cygwin.  Wow, that was fast!  Maybe now that you've
troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
submit a patch to fix it?  Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice



> Best wishes,
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
> To:
> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
> Win7
> cygwin
> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
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